its an accusati long-arm jurisdiction is an act of absolute evil

[purelove]

In fact, I have found a strange behavior in the last few days, which comes from a strange behavior in the forum.

When discussing overall strength Wendy is in a weak position, they shift the conversation to convenience for newbies.

When discussing how specific the convenience is, they emphasize that Wendy has no difficulty.

When discussing the need for Wendy to deal with the boss, they will change the topic to Wendy is young and should not have such great power.

• In fact, this is a game, and when the game is constantly updated, it makes sense to make adjustments, even if Wendy is just a little girl.

Wurt is also a little girl, but she can easily command her fellow Fishmen to fight, so why not ask for the present Wendy instead of the already unreasonable one?

Woodie has an axe that he considers his wife, Wendy has a sister who protects her, Woody can be strengthened, why not Abigail?

In fact, the most despicable thing about inter-group behavior is the long-arm jurisdiction. Playing Wendy is mostly done by Wendy players themselves,

If even a fraction of your time is going to be spent on Wendy, it's going to be nowhere near as much as our skilled players actually playing Wendy.

What gives you the right to tell Wendy players their own skill tree?

If I ordered you players to act as minions of Wendy's players in the game, would you bow your head?

[cyjs]

Some people here are full of double standards and I've gradually gotten used to it，They are just there to disprove you and win the discuss

[purelove]

15 minutes ago, cyjs said:

Some people here are full of double standards and I've gradually gotten used to it，They are just there to disprove you and win the discuss

Even before the champion won, they generally insisted that Wendy was t0.

Now I really understand how evil the long-arm jurisdiction is.

 They can constantly rely on the claim of justice and distribute the benefits of real victims at will.

 Do you treat all people as idiots?  

Your level of malice and understanding is clearly on display.

 Your actions are Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

Even these people loudly insist that it is not a competition, but it is not a competition, but they are not willing to let others surpass them.

And when I stressed that Wendy is actually hard on the boss, that we Wendy players don't have to surpass the Potato Man, but approach it, and that we're willing to pay the price of difficulty to do so, they started repeating the above again, no matter how many times it was explained.

Like Sisyphus, we Wendy players actually understand that they're not dumb, just bad guys

[cyjs]

8 minutes ago, purelove said:

Even before the champion won, they generally insisted that Wendy was t0.

Now I really understand how evil the long-arm jurisdiction is.

 They can constantly rely on the claim of justice and distribute the benefits of real victims at will.

 Do you treat all people as idiots?  

Your level of malice and understanding is clearly on display.

 Your actions are Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

Even these people loudly insist that it is not a competition, but it is not a competition, but they are not willing to let others surpass them.

And when I stressed that Wendy is actually hard on the boss, that we Wendy players don't have to surpass the Potato Man, but approach it, and that we're willing to pay the price of difficulty to do so, they started repeating the above again, no matter how many times it was explained.

Like Sisyphus, we Wendy players actually understand that they're not dumb, just bad guys

It’s just that some people are like this. You don’t need to care about their opinions. You just need to express your own thoughts here, because no matter what you do, they will not understand you and will only laugh at you more. In fact, I don’t really agree with your statement. Even if you haven’t used it, you can still express your thoughts, because this is the meaning of existence here. You are just pursuing the approval of those who can never agree with you, this is not necessary

[purelove]

5 minutes ago, cyjs said:

It’s just that some people are like this. You don’t need to care about their opinions. You just need to express your own thoughts here, because no matter what you do, they will not understand you and will only laugh at you more. In fact, I don’t really agree with your statement. Even if you haven’t used it, you can still express your thoughts, because this is the meaning of existence here. You are just pursuing the approval of those who can never agree with you, this is not necessary

You added correctly, I am sorry for the well-intentioned people, but in fact, as long as there are some such people, it will make everyone biased, you are right, just as they have prejudiced us before, and a real person can correct his mistakes and see the world and objective laws correctly, rather than living in his own world

[Steorra]

It seems for some "players" they are more care about a "win" on forum, for them "Let my opinion rule the whole world" is more important than any other players' game experience. They are searching sense of identify, what other player feels about the current game is not important to them.

[Primalflower]

5 hours ago, purelove said:

When discussing the need for Wendy to deal with the boss, they will change the topic to Wendy is young and should not have such great power.

huh? when has this argument been levied? Whenever I see wendy's boss handling capability discussed, the main two arguments i see are "Wendy not being able to deal with bosses is an achilles heel, and every character needs one", underlining a need for a downside or weak point, not because she is a little girl, but because she is a character in a video game.

The other argument i see is that wendy literally fhhing received a boss killing mode you can use in the form of gestalt abigail.

VV purposefully poorly played demo to illustrate how effective it is VV

Spoiler

 

 

 

[Lee Sy]

6 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

故意播放效果不佳的演示来说明它是多么有效的

Each character could kill deerclops with no difficulty even Wes. We need some skills to fight with bosses with planar damage or planar entity, even AOE planar damage, that's the meaning of skill tree, right?

[Primalflower]

2 minutes ago, Lee Sy said:

Each character could kill deerclops with no difficulty even Wes. We need some skills to fight with bosses with planar damage or planar entity, even AOE planar damage, that's the meaning of skill tree, right?

the tools are there for wendy to do well with abigail against most any boss. She has planar defense and attack, and she most importantly, kites the opponent, instead of tanking. She can also be directed out of the way or into a more favorable position with the "attack here" function.

But either way, this is a sidetract from the original point of my post. I have not seen the complaint that the original post described levied. I have only seen people making a similar, but much more reasonable complaint. It is possible that translation is making one misinterpret one for the other.

[Lee Sy]

3 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

the tools are there for wendy to do well with abigail against most any boss

Actually I think it's a nice design, but not enough or not perfect. Low attack frequency, the duration of the vulnerability buff is not sufficient to cover the attack interval, it seems to encourage Abi fight alone while Wendy stay still instead of fighting together. It contradicts the design of the Petal Shroud, which encourages Wendy combat alone while Abi stay alone.

And it's not worthy for sacrificing AOE damage——Wendy's most distinctive advantage. Too long transform period, not convenient to transform, player may even miss the transform moment just like forgetting to collect glommer's flower.

It's important that all the flaws follow with the skill tree, but not come from original Wendy. It's confused when compared with other designs.

事实上，我认为月灵形态的阿比盖尔是一个好的设计，但仍不够或者不完美。低攻击频率导致易伤buff无法持续触发，这似乎鼓励玩家让阿比独自战斗，温蒂待在一边指挥阿比放风筝，而不是姐妹共同战斗。这也与裹尸布的设计相违背，它鼓励温蒂利用额外血条独自战斗，阿比在骨灰罐附近不动。

并且它不值得用aoe伤害去做交换，这是温蒂最核心的优势。过长的转换时间，不方便转换形态，玩家甚至可能错过转换时机，就像玩家会忘记格罗姆花。

更重要的是，所有的这些缺陷和代价来自于技能树，而不是原始的温蒂，对比其他设计的话，这就显得很混乱。

[Primalflower]

26 minutes ago, Lee Sy said:

the duration of the vulnerability buff is not sufficient to cover the attack interval, it seems to encourage Abi fight alone while Wendy stay still instead of fighting together. It contradicts the design of the Petal Shroud, which encourages Wendy combat alone while Abi stay alone.

I disagree with this. the buff not lasting long enough to be fully covered does not encourage abigail to fight alone, we should not think in absolutes like this. It just means that wendy's damage is going to be slightly lower sometimes, which is obviously covered by the overwhelming damage of gestalt abigail, which defeats a beefalo in 3 hits. Regardless, I would not turn my nose up at the buff lasting long enough to have full coverage, but i do not think it is necessary, and i also think that it does not push the player to do what you think it does, unless the player is thinking in absolutes.

However I agree with the petal shroud being weird. It just needs armor to work, thats all.

29 minutes ago, Lee Sy said:

And it's not worthy for sacrificing AOE damage——Wendy's most distinctive advantage. Too long transform period, not convenient to transform, player may even miss the transform moment just like forgetting to collect glommer's flower.

The vast majority of boss fights in this game have to be activated. The only ones that this form is theoretically not suitable for is Bearger & Deerclops, and by your words, deerclops is a non-issue. The gestalt form is a method of preparing for a fight, and it is only suitable that a poorly prepared player performs worse. It's not confused at all, and I feel as if it is unnecessary to improve on this particular aspect of her design.

[Lee Sy]

6 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

which is obviously covered by the overwhelming damage of gestalt abigail, which defeats a beefalo in 3 hits. Regardless

I would prefer to reduce Abbey's damage rather than have a lower attack frequency. Anyway, I respect your opinion on Wendy, but I still reserve my own.

[Uedo]

7 hours ago, purelove said:

In fact, I have found a strange behavior in the last few days, which comes from a strange behavior in the forum.

When discussing overall strength Wendy is in a weak position, they shift the conversation to convenience for newbies.

When discussing how specific the convenience is, they emphasize that Wendy has no difficulty.

When discussing the need for Wendy to deal with the boss, they will change the topic to Wendy is young and should not have such great power.

• In fact, this is a game, and when the game is constantly updated, it makes sense to make adjustments, even if Wendy is just a little girl.

Wurt is also a little girl, but she can easily command her fellow Fishmen to fight, so why not ask for the present Wendy instead of the already unreasonable one?

Woodie has an axe that he considers his wife, Wendy has a sister who protects her, Woody can be strengthened, why not Abigail?

In fact, the most despicable thing about inter-group behavior is the long-arm jurisdiction. Playing Wendy is mostly done by Wendy players themselves,

If even a fraction of your time is going to be spent on Wendy, it's going to be nowhere near as much as our skilled players actually playing Wendy.

What gives you the right to tell Wendy players their own skill tree?

If I ordered you players to act as minions of Wendy's players in the game, would you bow your head?

I don't understand why this forum has become so hell-bent on trying to write a thesis on the reaction to Wendy. 

Change is destabilising.

People were uncertain about what we could receive with the skill tree -> people developed opinions on what they'd like to see, or at the very least held optimism or pessimism at what will be coming -> players received it -> Underwhelming. 

That's it. That's as complicated as this situation is.

[purelove]

9 hours ago, Uedo said:

I don't understand why this forum has become so hell-bent on trying to write a thesis on the reaction to Wendy. 

Change is destabilising.

People were uncertain about what we could receive with the skill tree -> people developed opinions on what they'd like to see, or at the very least held optimism or pessimism at what will be coming -> players received it -> Underwhelming. 

That's it. That's as complicated as this situation is.

In fact, this is a role-playing game, not a fighting game,
no matter how strong Wendy is, it doesn't affect your use of Potato Man, Maxwell and Wanda, so no matter how it changes, the most satisfying thing should be to devote most of your time to Wendy, and consider Wendy as your favorite character player,
rather than satisfying most people's opinions, because this is not a competitive game.
It is not because Wendy destroys the ranking of others, but only tears the stereotype of Wendy's simple and the label of difficulty of other high-intensity characters.
In fact, Wendy is simple, but the latter is not simple.     Strong characters seem difficult, but they can completely make up for their shortcomings in 20 days, and even several times stronger than Wendy (this several times is because powerful characters are functional at the same time).     Things like productivity, mobile teleportation, more room to carry) While Wendy is just a combat type character, her auxiliary abilities are only to get inferior spider monster meat and monkey dropped bananas

[Uedo]

13 hours ago, purelove said:

In fact, this is a role-playing game, not a fighting game,
no matter how strong Wendy is, it doesn't affect your use of Potato Man, Maxwell and Wanda, so no matter how it changes, the most satisfying thing should be to devote most of your time to Wendy, and consider Wendy as your favorite character player,
rather than satisfying most people's opinions, because this is not a competitive game.
It is not because Wendy destroys the ranking of others, but only tears the stereotype of Wendy's simple and the label of difficulty of other high-intensity characters.
In fact, Wendy is simple, but the latter is not simple.     Strong characters seem difficult, but they can completely make up for their shortcomings in 20 days, and even several times stronger than Wendy (this several times is because powerful characters are functional at the same time).     Things like productivity, mobile teleportation, more room to carry) While Wendy is just a combat type character, her auxiliary abilities are only to get inferior spider monster meat and monkey dropped bananas

I respect that you find it to be a role-playing game, I absolutely do not. It's a sandbox survival game for me.

Edit: I would find it much closer to a fighting game than a role-playing one imo.

[purelove]

13 minutes ago, Uedo said:

I respect that you find it to be a role-playing game, I absolutely do not. It's a sandbox survival game for me.

Edit: I would find it much closer to a fighting game than a role-playing one imo.

What can I say, if it's a fighting game, that's really unfair.

op character players, subjectively assume that the weak character is strong.

And if you have to worry about balance, the strongest characters even have to be cut by two-thirds to maintain balance, for example, Maxwell, whose strength is even four times that of Wendy:

Because it has its own 6.67 restore sanity, working minions, Dreadstone, cattle remote consumption, super storage space, and other things, it is a combination of the advantages of the world, but the shortcomings are easily remedied

[Uedo]

5 minutes ago, purelove said:

What can I say, if it's a fighting game, that's really unfair.

op character players, subjectively assume that the weak character is strong.

And if you have to worry about balance, the strongest characters even have to be cut by two-thirds to maintain balance, for example, Maxwell, whose strength is even four times that of Wendy:

Because it has its own 6.67 restore sanity, working minions, Dreadstone, cattle remote consumption, super storage space, and other things, it is a combination of the advantages of the world, but the shortcomings are easily remedied

I do understand where you're coming from, I think some people are tied more to the mechanics and the impact of those mechanics and don't consider the flavour of WHY a character should or shouldn't do something.

I don't mind, make Wendy OP as hell - It's not going to bother me, the good thing about the skill trees are that you literally don't have to use it, so I wouldn't mind anyone getting a bit overtuned. 
If they would have made it so skills are unlocked based on world time and not account-wide, I think we would have really good arguements to make characters very interesting and very strong if that's what people wanted. 

That's probably my only big issue with skilltrees, having their progress tied to your account is nuts. 

[purelove]

In fact, anyone can post a suggestion for Wendy, but when that suggestion crosses Wendy players and tries to control the actual group, it makes the skill tree design worse.

I found in these days, this group of people began to change the language, and now there is a popular forum, disruptive language, it is like this, although I am not a Wendy player, there is no way to play the whole process of Wendy, and even as I am a player of other strong roles, but because I have experienced the experience of Wendy, so I have the right to speak, alas.

People will always emphasize their own sense of existence, even if it will only cause trouble to others, if you want others to see you, you can give advice, not when the Wendy player asks for a specific situation, and open the set of free speech.

[purelove]

Some people think Wendy doesn't need to get more, and the magic point is that they're players who don't play Wendy

[purelove]

Actions speak louder than words, and all players who think Wendy is a simple character should use her to challenge the game's full-course boss single-handedly

[purelove]

In order to better understand and balance Wendy's play, the designer should personally experience the full flow of the solo experience

[Evelo]

On 12/5/2024 at 12:34 AM, purelove said:

Actions speak louder than words, and all players who think Wendy is a simple character should use her to challenge the game's full-course boss single-handedly

I have. I am a disabled player too, only play with one hand using only keyboard (and occasionally mouse when placing objects). You can beat every boss with every character, solo, no character swapping. Yes, Wendy is a simple character. So is Wolfgang, Wurt, Wilson, Wigfrid, Woodie, Webber, Wortox, WX, and Wormwood. Arguments can be made that literally the entire cast is simple.

Granted this might be translation issues because this thread seems quite hostile. If the meaning is simply lost in translation, sorry, apologies, et cetra.

[YuRinshue]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:06 AM, Uedo said:

I don't understand why this forum has become so hell-bent on trying to write a thesis on the reaction to Wendy. 

Change is destabilising.

People were uncertain about what we could receive with the skill tree -> people developed opinions on what they'd like to see, or at the very least held optimism or pessimism at what will be coming -> players received it -> Underwhelming. 

That's it. That's as complicated as this situation is.

Firstly, I believe it is because Klei's long-term updates have caused dissatisfaction among the vast majority of the player community, and the failure of Wendy's skill tree design was a trigger that ignited dissatisfaction.
If you have observed the number of online players on Steam, you will find that Klei's updates have had little impact on the number of online players for a long time. The vast majority of online players are using unofficial gameplay such as mods to prolong their enjoyment of the game.
Secondly, Klei has an attitude of clearly ignoring problems when leaving the test suit, which is evident in the skill trees of Wilson and Wigford. Players no longer want to see this scene happen again, so they have been providing feedback as much as possible.

[Uedo]

3 hours ago, YuRinshue said:

Firstly, I believe it is because Klei's long-term updates have caused dissatisfaction among the vast majority of the player community, and the failure of Wendy's skill tree design was a trigger that ignited dissatisfaction.
If you have observed the number of online players on Steam, you will find that Klei's updates have had little impact on the number of online players for a long time. The vast majority of online players are using unofficial gameplay such as mods to prolong their enjoyment of the game.
Secondly, Klei has an attitude of clearly ignoring problems when leaving the test suit, which is evident in the skill trees of Wilson and Wigford. Players no longer want to see this scene happen again, so they have been providing feedback as much as possible.

Cheers for the input. Klei should delete the forums tbh. I wouldn't put up with this type of stuff every day, it's really boring :/

Edit: You liked the post, I meant I wouldn't put up with posts like yours! I feel YOUR post is boring 

[purelove]

This point needs repeating