IAmAFurrz Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 8 hours ago, Catuna_ said: crab king rework, new bosses, skill trees, rifts updates...? i'd argue all of those are pretty impactful the best updates this game sorely needed, cuz just adding new layer of cream on top of a rotten cake doesnt really fix previous problems (what was happening before) 8 hours ago, Steorra said: And yes, rictus can be dealt easily if you have hutch, but in public server you cannot ensure you always has hutch when you in cave. Everyone wants hutch for extra item slots. you assume pubs last more than winter XD 8 hours ago, Steorra said: And have to mention - someone enjoying living in cave but not the surface, they are DST players as well. All things I mentioned above and the icker are annoying for those who living in cave. uh... people have been complaining 'add more natural/environmental challenges', now they add em and ppl also complain 'annoying' even tho they can just walk around (edges to ignore ickers)/run away 8 hours ago, Steorra said: but what if those mega base was already built before the Depths of Duplicity update? me when i have to work around new problems 2 hours ago, Steorra said: we know this is easy if we have prepared tooth trap before we go deep into the cave. But I don't think this is good design because for those who have AOE ability they do not need to prepare anything. this is unfair. ds is a constant battle of knowing. now you know about the tooth trap. incorporate it, its 1 inventory slot 2 hours ago, Steorra said: I'm tired about "turn It off in world settings" When ppl questioning some design issue. Why you guys never say same thing to those who think some character skill tree going to be OP just like "you can do not to learn those OP skills"? those things in the game are purely optional, you can absolutely choose whether you want to interact with them or not, so even if you hate it you can just not fight the bad fights (thank god CK got reworked, now non questline fights are all optional). also, i have given skill trees a 2nd thought, as before i was off-put by them not fitting in the game's style: new skills is an interesting proposal of what is allowed to exist nowadays, as more interesting bosses/mechanics can be designed without it being the old days of dst's design of "heres a boss with 1 million health, oh and 4 minute limit, and also multiple mobs spam" just to **** with the players. with planar, they absolutely will get a 2nd chance to balance enemies, bosses and weapons+armor 2 hours ago, Y0sH said: I was trying to hold your hand with this exchange but now that you bring it up, it's ABSOLUTELY a skill issue. Your character of choice not having an AOE is automatically deemed "unfair" by you because without it you can't easily kill an enemy in the game. At most not having an AOE for Rictus is a minor inconvenience for an OPTIONAL enemy. You want every character to have easy access to all types of damage natively essentially. What would be the point of picking different characters if ALL characters could do the same thing from Day 1? Again just because some characters are better at certain things it doesn't make it Unfair for other characters to be worse at it. If you want AOE that bad then just use whatever character that has it, problem solved. a lot of forums' issues are with badly designed stuff even tho they don't know much about design or given it more thought than 'it doesnt feel right'. imo its pretty hard to make a bad design for things, as most things can be dealt with with player creativity, and in most cases nothing has so few answers that it can genuinely be 'bad design'. sure there are questionable things (i still rlly hate how the WARBIS set fits into progression post rift) but stuff still has their uses/answers to make em interesting but also dangerous if un-prepared (as DST is a game of knowing, as well as skill, knowing really is half the battle) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggofroot Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 Klei is a company of around only 50 workers (according to their LinkedIn), and Klei have been working on other games as well as DST so their workforce is probably very limited. And yet DST gets updates equal to, or even bigger than Minecraft's updates imo and more frequently (like 2-3 a year). So I think Klei is going above and beyond for each update and I applaud them for it. These three recent skill trees probably took a while for them to come up with ideas for, program, and make sprites for and from what I've seen, the community sees them positively. They're doing their best and their best is pretty good. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 1 hour ago, Draggofroot said: Klei is a company of around only 50 workers Only that much? And they're developing other games as well, surely they need more staff. Why don't they recuit more people? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyoton123 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sy Posted November 28, 2024 Author Share Posted November 28, 2024 2 hours ago, Draggofroot said: and Klei have been working on other games as well as DST so their workforce is probably very limited. Can't be an excuse, do you remember that they said they won't made any changes to the personnel configuration or workload of the development team in roadmap? Why not admit they were lying, and the updates of other klei games this year weren't well either. 这不是借口，记得他们在路线图说不会改变开发团队的人员配置吗？为什么不承认他们撒谎了呢，况且今年其他科雷游戏的更新也没有很好。 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 15 minutes ago, Lee Sy said: 不能成为借口，你还记得他们在路线图中说过不会对开发团队的人员配置或工作量进行任何改变吗？为什么不承认他们在撒谎呢，而且今年其他klei游戏的更新也不好。 这不是借口，记得他们在路线图说不会改变开发团队的人员配置吗？为什么不承认他们撒谎了呢，况且今年其他科雷游戏的更新也没有很好。 Moreover, there are many bugs. Big and small, parasitic rock shrimp ruin the world of their underground homes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sy Posted November 28, 2024 Author Share Posted November 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Draggofroot said: Klei is a company of around only 50 workers (according to their LinkedIn) 45 minutes ago, Lee Sy said: excuse I do believe many other klei fans, at least me, would understand it if they told us they are busy for their new game, and wanted a rest from DST. They have done lots of great updates of Don't Starve for 10 years, maybe they have been tired or have difficulties to keep a high update frequency, that's OK, they are free, they could choose by themselves. However, they promised/said there'll be same amount updates as before and even more impactful. But they can't even fix some bugs which have been existed for months, only 3 trees, no so called QOL update or others. I'm disappointed that they said they won't, but they do so. 如果科雷说他们正忙于制作新游戏，并且想休息一会儿减缓或暂停更新饥荒内容，我相信科雷粉丝们，至少对我来说，都会理解这一点的。他们在十年来已经完成了很多伟大的更新，也许科雷对于维持高强度的更新频率感到厌倦或困难，那也没关系，制作团队是自由的，他们可以做出选择。 但是他们承诺会像往常一样，会有相同体量的更新，甚至更有影响力。但现在他们甚至不能修复一些存在数月的bug，只有三个技能树，没有所谓的生活质量更新或其他更新。我很失望的原因是他们说不会这样，但的确这样做了。 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 32 minutes ago, Lee Sy said: But they can't even fix some bugs which have been existed for months, only 3 trees, no so called QOL update or others. I'm disappointed that they said they won't, but they do so. So real man. The Scrappig bug was so annoying, and that was getting almost 9 months, UNFIXED. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 3 hours ago, YXukun said: Only that much? And they're developing other games as well, surely they need more staff. Why don't they recuit more people? Because they don't have enough monetary gain to do so? Hiring a lot of devs is not a automatic problem solver. It actually puts a lot of extra strain on the company. Having tighter smaller crews is arguably more important and healthier for company's own benefit and quality of final product than having comically bloated ubisoft-sized staff teams that just has to pump out uninspired soulless slop every year just to keep company barely functioning or else people will get thrown out on the streets bare ass naked. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 58 minutes ago, Anis5240 said: So real man. The Scrappig bug was so annoying, and that was getting almost 9 months, UNFIXED. Frostjaw is even worse. A completely buggy mob for a long period. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WANZUN Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 Flattery makes klei lazier. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSpoon Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 21 hours ago, Y0sH said: Every character doesn't need an AOE ability, it's ok for some characters to be better at different threats than others. When you get an outcrop and see it's Rictus, just leave caves and go make a tooth trap and come back. Whatever shadow monster you have will still be at the same outcrop. If this is too difficult or inconvenient you can turn it off in world settings. 21 hours ago, Y0sH said: I was trying to hold your hand with this exchange but now that you bring it up, it's ABSOLUTELY a skill issue. It's ABSOLUTELY NOT a skill issue(Geez I Hate this elitism word). Depending on whether or not a character has their own AOE, just only for outcrop with Rictus, be forced to return to far away ground base to create a fang trap or fill up an inventory for a fang trap, it's a design issue of unfairness. To be fair, I usually use Slurtle Slime when dealing with Rictus, but the unfairness remains. To classify this as a "skill issue," an update is needed to make it possible to reveal Rictus even without AOE, for example by countering the very little moment just before the attack. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 4 hours ago, RexySeven said: Because they don't have enough monetary gain to do so? Hiring a lot of devs is not a automatic problem solver. It actually puts a lot of extra strain on the company. Having tighter smaller crews is arguably more important and healthier for company's own benefit and quality of final product than having comically bloated ubisoft-sized staff teams that just has to pump out uninspired soulless slop every year just to keep company barely functioning or else people will get thrown out on the streets bare ass naked. Then…Why would klei spend valuable human resource and money on developing and running more new games at the same time instead of just focus on games that profit more and consider new games when they has got enough money and men? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 Just now, YXukun said: Then…Why would klei spend valuable human resource and money on developing and running more new games at the same time instead of just focus on games that profit more and consider new games when they has got enough money and men? Because they can't work only on DST 24/7 every day of the year. Little do some know, but developers are also living breathing thinking humans and not some abstract magic beings with only purpose in live to entertain you, I know it's a hard concept to understand. They maintain and create more games because if not, any creative juice they had just goes to waste. Have you even played something besides DST from Klei? They arguably the best indie-esc developer out there with their games releasing with stellar artwork, stories and gameplay. You can see actual soul was put into their projects. DST is still their "main" game with probably most amount of devs designated to. I applaud them for actually branching out and still trying new things. Quit that spoiled entitled kid mentality "oh well screw other games! I want DST updates every week! They gotta be super polished and add tons of content!", it baffles me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, RexySeven said: They gotta be super polished Yes, I do expect them to do decent updates with minimal bugs with this new 3 months per update thingy they did. But guess what? Both Scrappig and Frostjaw (the latter nearing 1 year right now and STILL having bugs where it instantly 'dies' after getting on a breaking ice floe was very stupid) have problems. I've documented plenty of evidences of people getting the double Scrappig bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 7 minutes ago, Anis5240 said: Yes, I do expect them to do decent updates with minimal bugs with this new 3 months per update thingy they did. But guess what? Both Scrappig and Frostjaw (the latter nearing 1 year right now and STILL having bugs where it instantly 'dies' after getting on a breaking ice floe was very stupid) have problems. I've documented plenty of evidences of people getting the double Scrappig bug. Well they have to meet update expectations so they probably don't even have time to do bugfixes across the board. It will be probably fixed when time comes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 2 minutes ago, RexySeven said: Well they have to meet update expectations And that leads back to this whole problem: why do this 3 month gap between updates when there are still tons of bugs that need fixing? I personally won't mind much if there's just small updates dedicated to bug fixes ONLY, instead of being lumped alongside the other things. That's why I even proposed for Klei to do 6-month period per update, so they can have time to focus on those bugs. Yet people coming in and say "oh no game gonna die if no updates hur dur" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 54 minutes ago, RexySeven said: Because they can't work only on DST 24/7 every day of the year. Little do some know, but developers are also living breathing thinking humans and not some abstract magic beings with only purpose in live to entertain you, I know it's a hard concept to understand. They maintain and create more games because if not, any creative juice they had just goes to waste. Have you even played something besides DST from Klei? They arguably the best indie-esc developer out there with their games releasing with stellar artwork, stories and gameplay. You can see actual soul was put into their projects. DST is still their "main" game with probably most amount of devs designated to. I applaud them for actually branching out and still trying new things. Quit that spoiled entitled kid mentality "oh well screw other games! I want DST updates every week! They gotta be super polished and add tons of content!", it baffles me. Well no one asked them to work only on DST 24/7 every day of the year. Anycase, isn't it the usual strategy to focus on the current earning projects to support the finance and try new projects after they've earned enough money for trys that may fail or lose money? I know "dont put all the eggs in one basket", but klei looks like have been too eager in creating new baskets. There are 4 new games that either already released or in developing during the last two years as I know, and maybe there's more. Considering they're already running DST and Oxygen Not Included (well, no one cares for DS anyway), it would take considerable heavy work to develop and run all these, especially with such a small group klei has. So I think the confusion remains, and possibly turn into two. Klei is small, I get it, but... if they lack money, why dont they focus on profiting projects first? If they dont, why dont they make themselves bigger so that they can ease the work? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, YXukun said: if they lack money, why dont they focus on profiting projects first? If they dont, why dont they make themselves bigger so that they can ease the work? I think Klei probably and possibly bit off more than they can chew. Let's not forget there will be a mobile port for DST on Netflix Games. Like sure, Netflix is sponsoring the project but the fact that it's on Netflix Games itself already bring some problems. Would the share from monthly subscriptions people pay to play the port can help Klei to support themselves? Who knows. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
erick was right Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 Community will glaze developers no matter what, there's no point to argue on forums, you would have more success mass spaming with friends to tencent and CEO's to check the quality of updates. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, YXukun said: Well no one asked them to work only on DST 24/7 every day of the year. Anycase, isn't it the usual strategy to focus on the current earning projects to support the finance and try new projects after they've earned enough money for trys that may fail or lose money? I know "dont put all the eggs in one basket", but klei looks like have been too eager in creating new baskets. There are 4 new games that either already released or in developing during the last two years as I know, and maybe there's more. Considering they're already running DST and Oxygen Not Included (well, no one cares for DS anyway), it would take considerable heavy work to develop and run all these, especially with such a small group klei has. So I think the confusion remains, and possibly turn into two. Klei is small, I get it, but... if they lack money, why dont they focus on profiting projects first? If they dont, why dont they make themselves bigger so that they can ease the work? Because these projects earn them more than enough money that they don't need to expand nor milk money solely on DST? They never stated they "lack the money" i think ever. After Tencent they probably don't even need to care about money so they just branch out creating different games. I actually remember how someone at Klei even mentioned that they don't want to be just "Don't Starve" company but instead have different original IPs. And again, hiring more devs doesn't usually resolve anything especially when we are talking about close-knitted indie game devs with certain views and ideas they want to create. Look no further, Risk of Rain 2. Entire dedicated branch of workers (probably more than 10) from Gearbox are struggling to keep up with quality standard made by 4-man company consisting of 2 programmers, 1 artist and 1 janitor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 9 hours ago, SilverSpoon said: It's ABSOLUTELY NOT a skill issue(Geez I Hate this elitism word). Depending on whether or not a character has their own AOE, just only for outcrop with Rictus, be forced to return to far away ground base to create a fang trap or fill up an inventory for a fang trap, it's a design issue of unfairness. To be fair, I usually use Slurtle Slime when dealing with Rictus, but the unfairness remains. To classify this as a "skill issue," an update is needed to make it possible to reveal Rictus even without AOE, for example by countering the very little moment just before the attack. It is a skill issue plain and simple and to be more accurate it's just being lazy. So because a specific character doesn't have native AOE damage for this specific enemy, the entire enemy's mechanic should be taken out? There's several ways to get Rictus out of his shadow form. Stop thinking that every character NEEDS the same skills to be a good character. If every character can do everything every other character can, what's the point of even having different survivors? Just make Wilson be able to do everything. This debate over needing AOE to reveal a specific optional enemy being unfair is made trivial considering you have a ton of ways to circumvent the issue. If it bothers you so much you can literally change your character specifically for one with AOE if you need to. It's insane that this is even a debate. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1763956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteking Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 On 11/28/2024 at 10:18 PM, RexySeven said: Because these projects earn them more than enough money that they don't need to expand nor milk money solely on DST? They never stated they "lack the money" i think ever. After Tencent they probably don't even need to care about money so they just branch out creating different games. If you knew what kind of company Tencent is, you wouldn't think Klei is not "missing the money" anymore. In China, even children know that Tencent is a crazy company that goes to any lengths to make money. I can't think of any reason why Klei chose to cooperate with Tencent besides making money. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161256-forget-wendy-only-three-skill-trees-for-half-year%E5%85%88%E5%88%AB%E7%AE%A1%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%EF%BC%8C%E8%BF%99%E6%AC%A1%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%AA%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E6%A0%91%E7%9A%84%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%EF%BC%9F/page/2/#findComment-1768668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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