Fallback Wendy's skill tree

[azTuT]

First of all, are you really a player who loves Wendy？

If you play, then a non-competitive game, while generally balanced, shouldn't you want your role to be more interesting and have a better game experience
If you don't play, then a non-competitive game (even online is a better teammate) will not affect the role you originally loved. Why should you hurt the heart of the real Wendy player

If you have a complete experience of the game process, you will find that
The effect of the elder sister is almost zero when you're dealing with ger, the nightmare mad pig, and the moon frog behind the rift, the one-eyed deer, and the badger

姐妹情谊是 Wendy 的特点。它造就了 Wendy，也限制了 Wendy。但就现在的版本来说，限制太大了，尤其是裂缝之后，Wendy 单打独斗，失去了角色的特色。不是漫不经心，而是要看到设计师的诚意与兴趣。更好的游戏体验（包括生活和战斗）怎么样？

这个技能树看不出设计师的诚意，应该在设计师确认准备好了更完整的技能树后再回滚发布，你需要提供一个好的食材，然后问怎么让别人评判，加工和烹饪，而不是拖延一个有缺陷的产品。

我有一些关于重做技能树的有趣想法

a可以保留小的恐怖树枝

b） 越来越有趣的药水（可用的药水太少了，你不需要罐子），比如增加照明范围，围着温蒂跳舞以恢复脑力，在一段时间内分享温蒂的盔甲，照料庄稼，无论她走到哪里都开花（阿比盖尔喜欢花园）等等;同时，阿比盖尔可以享受两种药物的效果

c）付出代价，比如消耗 50 点脑力，这样阿比盖尔受到致命伤害就不会死，而是一滴血回到花中（还是 3 级）

d） 阿比盖尔可以帮助温蒂攻击暗影怪物。作为回报，如果 Shadowmonster 被姐姐打败，Wendy 将不会获得大脑奖励

我一个人的想象力是有限的，但是 Wendy 有很多玩家，我们都希望角色和游戏变得更好，我们有很多有趣和实用的想法，我们对问题给出积极的反馈，我们希望技能树被考虑进来，这样我们就可以先退下来，吸收更多玩家的意见。请不要忽视我们的声音

[cyjs]

I support your view，他们确实该听到我们的声音，我们都太不满意了

So many constructive posts from Chinese people are ignored, and only complaints are seen.伤心啊

[Evelo]

9 minutes ago, cyjs said:

So many constructive posts from Chinese people are ignored, and only complaints are seen

I don't think that's true, maybe just a language barrier thing? I don't know truly. I've done some reflecting and I want what's best for Wendy. I had to remind myself of what occurred with Wormwood and how people, myself included really wanted things for the better and made many many posts. So go get it! I believe you all will contribute positively for the DST community as a whole!

[cyjs]

Just now, Evelo said:

我不认为这是真的，也许只是语言障碍？我真的不知道。我已经做了一些反思，我希望给温迪最好的。我必须提醒自己，艾草发生了什么，以及人们，包括我自己，是如何真正希望事情变得更好，并发表了很多帖子。所以去拿吧！我相信你们都会为整个 DST 社区做出积极的贡献！

We have been constantly putting forward constructive suggestions, and I will continue to support them.，请其他同胞看到后也来抬抬吧

[Ugur01]

2 minutes ago, cyjs said:

We have been constantly putting forward constructive suggestions

I have seen very few Chinese posts on this forum. You either share via translation or you speak on a different platform. I would like to take a look at your posts. Which platform do you use?

[cyjs]

Just now, Ugur01 said:

我在这个论坛上看到的中文帖子很少。您可以通过翻译进行分享，也可以在不同的平台上发言。我想看一下你的帖子。您使用哪个平台？

We don’t use Chinese because we hope you can understand.You can go to Bilibili to view my videos. My name is森一呐呐

[Ugur01]

Wrong translation sorry. I actually wanted to ask where I could find constructive suggestions of Wendy.

Shared by Chinese people

As far as I understand they don't share here.

[cyjs]

3 minutes ago, Ugur01 said:

翻译错误抱歉。我其实想问哪里可以找到Wendy的建设性建议。

中国人共享

据我了解，他们不在这里分享。

I've pushed it all up, you can check out the latest

[azTuT]

43 minutes ago, Evelo said:

I don't think that's true, maybe just a language barrier thing? I don't know truly. I've done some reflecting and I want what's best for Wendy. I had to remind myself of what occurred with Wormwood and how people, myself included really wanted things for the better and made many many posts. So go get it! I believe you all will contribute positively for the DST community as a whole!

Poor machine translation cannot express our demands well and may even cause misunderstandings. Unfortunately, there is no better feedback channel, but we still hope not to be seen instead of watching these perfunctory changes go online

20 minutes ago, Ugur01 said:

Wrong translation sorry. I actually wanted to ask where I could find constructive suggestions of Wendy.

Shared by Chinese people

As far as I understand they don't share here.

There are many Chinese people like me on the forum. Due to language restrictions, they can only use poor machine translation, which cannot fully convey our real views

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

46分钟前，azTuT说：

糟糕的机器翻译无法很好地表达我们的要求，甚至可能引起误解。不幸的是，没有更好的反馈渠道，但我们仍然希望不被看到，而不是观看这些敷衍的改变上线

论坛上有很多像我一样的中国人。由于语言限制，他们只能使用糟糕的机器翻译，这无法完全传达我们的真实观点

Yes, I agree.

[Soul7k]

It did not occur to me that the second half of the post was not the same as the first half.  A: did not translate right when run through a translator. could you elaborate?

• Paying sanity to avoid death and losing Abigail levels is interesting.
• I am a big fan of the brighter light potion.
• Having Abigail fight nightmare creatures would be a big help especially since she takes longer to fight them.
• Having her help with farming would also be a nice touch. The more farming characters the better.

[Cdijk16]

8 hours ago, azTuT said:

First of all, are you really a player who loves Wendy？

If you play, then a non-competitive game, while generally balanced, shouldn't you want your role to be more interesting and have a better game experience
If you don't play, then a non-competitive game (even online is a better teammate) will not affect the role you originally loved. Why should you hurt the heart of the real Wendy player

If you have a complete experience of the game process, you will find that
The effect of the elder sister is almost zero when you're dealing with ger, the nightmare mad pig, and the moon frog behind the rift, the one-eyed deer, and the badger

姐妹情谊是 Wendy 的特点。它造就了 Wendy，也限制了 Wendy。但就现在的版本来说，限制太大了，尤其是裂缝之后，Wendy 单打独斗，失去了角色的特色。不是漫不经心，而是要看到设计师的诚意与兴趣。更好的游戏体验（包括生活和战斗）怎么样？

这个技能树看不出设计师的诚意，应该在设计师确认准备好了更完整的技能树后再回滚发布，你需要提供一个好的食材，然后问怎么让别人评判，加工和烹饪，而不是拖延一个有缺陷的产品。

我有一些关于重做技能树的有趣想法

a可以保留小的恐怖树枝

b） 越来越有趣的药水（可用的药水太少了，你不需要罐子），比如增加照明范围，围着温蒂跳舞以恢复脑力，在一段时间内分享温蒂的盔甲，照料庄稼，无论她走到哪里都开花（阿比盖尔喜欢花园）等等;同时，阿比盖尔可以享受两种药物的效果

c）付出代价，比如消耗 50 点脑力，这样阿比盖尔受到致命伤害就不会死，而是一滴血回到花中（还是 3 级）

d） 阿比盖尔可以帮助温蒂攻击暗影怪物。作为回报，如果 Shadowmonster 被姐姐打败，Wendy 将不会获得大脑奖励

我一个人的想象力是有限的，但是 Wendy 有很多玩家，我们都希望角色和游戏变得更好，我们有很多有趣和实用的想法，我们对问题给出积极的反馈，我们希望技能树被考虑进来，这样我们就可以先退下来，吸收更多玩家的意见。请不要忽视我们的声音

1. About your 3rd point about Abigail not being very useful against the Bearger, NM Werepig and Deerclops, I'd like to point out that Abigail contributes a lot in most other combat situations, including but not limited to Bee Queen (one of the hardest fights in the game), Dragonfly (very long fight due to its high HP), Ancient Guardian(can keep Abigail alive if you use Vigor Mortis potion on her) and many others. Bee Queen in particular is one of Wendy's best matchups, she takes far fewer resources than most characters to defeat it. So I think it's okay for there to be a few situations where she is less useful in order to balance out her performance in others.

2. I personally don't think that the skill tree is bad enough to warrant being redone from the ground up. It needs more time in the oven for sure and a good portion of the skills should get balance changes or reworks (Dark Petals 1, Strong Brew 1-3, Team Spirit 1 and 2, Lunar Allegiance 3) but most of the skills in there are pretty decent additions albeit not game changing. I think Wendy is a decently well-balanced character already and so doesn't need major buffs, I think her skill tree should just be minor improvements and quality of life changes.

[azTuT]

11 hours ago, Cdijk16 said:

1. 关于你关于阿比盖尔对 Bearger、NM Werepig 和 Deerclops 不是很有用的第三点，我想指出阿比盖尔在大多数其他战斗情况下都做出了很多贡献，包括但不限于 Bee Queen（游戏中最难的战斗之一）、Dragonfly（由于其高 HP 而进行非常漫长的战斗）， 古代守护者（如果你对她使用 Vigor Mortis 药水，可以让 Abigail 活着）和许多其他人。尤其是 Bee Queen 是 Wendy 最好的对决之一，她击败它所需的资源比大多数角色少得多。所以我认为在一些情况下她不那么有用是可以的，以平衡她在其他情况下的表现。

2. 我个人认为技能树还不够糟糕，以至于需要从头开始重做。它肯定需要更多的时间在烤箱中，很大一部分技能应该得到平衡性更改或返工（Dark Petals 1、Strong Brew 1-3、Team Spirit 1 和 2、Lunar Allegiance 3），但其中的大部分技能都有相当不错的补充，尽管不会改变游戏规则。我认为 Wendy 已经是一个相当平衡的角色，所以不需要大的增益，我认为她的技能树应该只是小的改进和生活质量的变化。

Your viewpoint was indeed correct a few years ago, but it is outdated. Wendy is no longer the same as before. In the past two years, new bosses have been added (I don't know if the translation is correct, or if you have used Wendy to kill these bosses) - celestial heroes, the ice sharks on the sea; The nightmare pig underground; Crazy scavengers in the garbage dump; Are the one eyed deer, wolves, badgers, and so on behind the cracks just a few? As well as the Shadow Monsters during the cave riots, Sister stood idly by and Wendy couldn't handle them. Many people thought Wendy was strong because she was easy to pick up, but in fact, her role was very limited and her online ability was very low. Multiplayer players were even labeled as "vases", and range attacks were no longer exclusive to Abigail. After Vila obtained the skill tree, she was completely Wendy's boss. The 2600 HP Little Bear could pull hatred, fight Shadow Monsters, repair them once, and even bring several skill trees. This is an important opportunity for Wendy, and she shouldn't miss it

[Cdijk16]

6 hours ago, azTuT said:

Your viewpoint was indeed correct a few years ago, but it is outdated. Wendy is no longer the same as before. In the past two years, new bosses have been added (I don't know if the translation is correct, or if you have used Wendy to kill these bosses) - celestial heroes, the ice sharks on the sea; The nightmare pig underground; Crazy scavengers in the garbage dump; Are the one eyed deer, wolves, badgers, and so on behind the cracks just a few? As well as the Shadow Monsters during the cave riots, Sister stood idly by and Wendy couldn't handle them. Many people thought Wendy was strong because she was easy to pick up, but in fact, her role was very limited and her online ability was very low. Multiplayer players were even labeled as "vases", and range attacks were no longer exclusive to Abigail. After Vila obtained the skill tree, she was completely Wendy's boss. The 2600 HP Little Bear could pull hatred, fight Shadow Monsters, repair them once, and even bring several skill trees. This is an important opportunity for Wendy, and she shouldn't miss it

Against Celestial Champion phases 1 and 2 it is feasible to keep Abigail alive if you use the Vigor Mortis potion on her and dodge certain attacks earlier than usual. Same goes for the NM Werepig if you kite in a specific way(see video linked below). Doing this successfully gives you a big boost to damage compared to baseline character Wilson, disproving the claim that she has a low ceiling. Abigail is pretty helpful against a good chunk of bosses, so it's ok for her to have some bad matchups to balance that out.

Video example of above points: How to be an S+ Tier Wendy (see 41:07 timestamp for CC and 29: 17 for Werepig)

As for Deerclops and Bearger, they are some of the easiest bosses in the game, so I don't consider a bad matchup against them to be that big of a deal really. You can easily lure Bearger into a forest while having a speed boost and let the Treeguards kill him without having to lift a finger yourself. As for post rifts stuff you have access to powerful planar weapons by then like Shadow Reaper and the Brightshade Staff that mostly ignore Wendy's lower damage, so you're not at that big a disadvantage compared to Wilson even without Abigail.

 

[Creatorofswamps]

It's a little more complicated, but for people like me, posts translated from Chinese are even more difficult to understand because: Chinese -> English -> Russian. But on the other hand, I understand you from a moral point of view, because I myself cannot always convey all my thoughts with the help of a translator.

[azTuT]

4 hours ago, Cdijk16 said:

Against Celestial Champion phases 1 and 2 it is feasible to keep Abigail alive if you use the Vigor Mortis potion on her and dodge certain attacks earlier than usual. Same goes for the NM Werepig if you kite in a specific way(see video linked below). Doing this successfully gives you a big boost to damage compared to baseline character Wilson, disproving the claim that she has a low ceiling. Abigail is pretty helpful against a good chunk of bosses, so it's ok for her to have some bad matchups to balance that out.

Video example of above points: How to be an S+ Tier Wendy (see 41:07 timestamp for CC and 29: 17 for Werepig)

As for Deerclops and Bearger, they are some of the easiest bosses in the game, so I don't consider a bad matchup against them to be that big of a deal really. You can easily lure Bearger into a forest while having a speed boost and let the Treeguards kill him without having to lift a finger yourself. As for post rifts stuff you have access to powerful planar weapons by then like Shadow Reaper and the Brightshade Staff that mostly ignore Wendy's lower damage, so you're not at that big a disadvantage compared to Wilson even without Abigail.

 

I'm very sorry, I'm a little tired of arguing. I've tried to design my ideal skill tree, which not only enhances fault tolerance but also adds fun. If you're interested or have any valuable feedback, I would greatly appreciate it
 

3 hours ago, Creatorofswamps said:

It's a little more complicated, but for people like me, posts translated from Chinese are even more difficult to understand because: Chinese -> English -> Russian. But on the other hand, I understand you from a moral point of view, because I myself cannot always convey all my thoughts with the help of a translator.

Я не знаю, могу ли я точно выразить свои мысли, цель моей публикации - озвучить свою любимую роль, надеюсь, она может стать лучше и лучше, спасибо за понимание

[azTuT]

On 11/26/2024 at 6:48 PM, Soul7k said:

我没有想到这篇文章的后半部分与前半部分不同。A： 通过翻译器运行时没有正确翻译。您能详细解释一下吗？

• 付出理智以避免死亡和失去 Abigail 等级很有趣。
• 我是 brighter light potion 的忠实粉丝。
• 让 Abigail 与梦魇生物战斗将是一个很大的帮助，尤其是因为她需要更长的时间来与它们战斗。
• 让她帮忙种地也是一个不错的选择。耕种角色越多越好。

I have posted a complete idea about Wendy's Skill Tree in both Chinese and English (of course, English is machine translated). If you are interested, you can take a look. If you have any valuable feedback, I would be extremely grateful
 

[Cdijk16]

1 hour ago, azTuT said:

I'm very sorry, I'm a little tired of arguing. I've tried to design my ideal skill tree, which not only enhances fault tolerance but also adds fun. If you're interested or have any valuable feedback, I would greatly appreciate it
 

Я не знаю, могу ли я точно выразить свои мысли, цель моей публикации - озвучить свою любимую роль, надеюсь, она может стать лучше и лучше, спасибо за понимание

Ok, I read that post and I like your ideas about how to improve Wendy's current skill trees. I particularly like the Life and Death transmutation branch and its ability to turn petals into butterflies which would be very useful for setting up an efficient Bee Box farm, and haunting on demand would be useful for making Evil Flower sanity stations mostly. But the third skill in that branch is too overpowered, it basically gives you a free infinite touch stone once set up since petals are extremely easy to get. I think that reviving should cost a more expensive resources like Nightmare Fuel instead. I think that this should be integrated into the current skill tree replacing Dark Petals 1 and Team Spirit 1 respectively.

However, I think that the Potion duration increase skills are underpowered and should instead be combined into just 1 skill that increases duration by 25%. I think that the new potion ideas(garden and crop tending ones) seem kind of impractical and I wouldn't really use them, but it would depend on the cost.  I also dont think the fact that your skill tree doesnt have the grave decorating ability since it's one of the better parts of the current skill tree. I don't think that the current skill trees needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, only a few underpowered skills need to be buffed or reworked.