Jakepeng99 Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 "The Flower Shroud currently redirects Wendy's damage onto Abigail. It will change so that Abigail will benefit from Wendy's head gear armor instead" i like the current version more, where abigail takes damage for you, but you can heal her with food. I like it more like this than giving abigail armour because i find this more interesting, fun and better balanced. The armour would make abigail way too easy to not die, a regular healing potion would likely make abigail able to outheal all damage. It would make Wendy less fun to manage abigail. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 does abil getting hurt reduce armor duability tho, if no then that just busted as hell Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 The existing variation encourages bad habits when fighting with Wendy, in that facetanking will often be preferable to kiting as there's less chance of bosses hitting Abigail. It doesn't help with Wendy's learning curve at all. The armour still takes up the chest slot, which is a significant drawback. Just now, Edible Coal said: does abil getting hurt reduce armor duability tho, if no then that just busted as hell We don't know how it'll be implemented. I imagine it'll consume durability, but less than normal (bc otherwise it consumes a stupid amount of Durability) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoeniXXTalon Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 i agree its current form is more interesting but i think if u just spam heals its too strong. also u can resummon abby when she dies to tank infinite damage. unfortunately i think it just doesnt work in practice i think the new version could still be fun if special effects from headgear also applied to abby. u can still spam heals but u cant just face tank Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchvarius Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 Redirecting damage Wendy receives onto Abby has obvious downsides. For instance, Wendy would be immune to hunger and overheat damage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 23, 2024 Author Share Posted November 23, 2024 14 minutes ago, Edible Coal said: does abil getting hurt reduce armor duability tho, if no then that just busted as hell Even if it does i still find it op because it would remove the challenge of balancing abigail. Abigail's health and hp regenerations potions and abilities are balanced around her not having armour. If she would have even a 70% reduction, it would remove the challenge from her 14 minutes ago, PhoeniXXTalon said: i agree its current form is more interesting but i think if u just spam heals its too strong. also u can resummon abby when she dies to tank infinite damage. unfortunately i think it just doesnt work in practice i think the new version could still be fun if special effects from headgear also applied to abby. u can still spam heals but u cant just face tank If thats so, they should either remove the healing Abigail gets from food, or think of another idea that isnt armour reduction. 17 minutes ago, WenericMember said: The armour still takes up the chest slot, which is a significant drawback Not at all. Its not too much effort to switch between it and a back pack. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 1小时前,Jakepeng99说: “ 花裹尸布目前将温蒂的伤害转移到阿比盖尔身上。它将发生变化,以便 阿比盖尔将受益于 温蒂的头部装备装甲 ” 我更喜欢现在的版本,阿比盖尔为你承受伤害,但你可以用食物治愈她。比起给予阿比盖尔盔甲,我更喜欢这样,因为我发现这更有趣、更好玩、更平衡。盔甲会让阿比盖尔很容易不死,普通的治疗药水很可能会让阿比盖尔能够治愈所有伤害。管理阿比盖尔会让温蒂变得不那么有趣。 Obviously you didn't experience the shroud's poor design in depth on the test server, nor did you know the effect of the big health potion or the fact that the boss dealt double damage to Abigail. As a player, why don’t I choose a big blood bottle with 20 health points per second, but choose to eat 15 dragon fruit pies and jelly beans with one drop of health per second? In addition, does Wendy’s design of crazy eating blood-replenishing food to restore Abi’s health fit the character design? Is Wendy a big eater? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 23, 2024 Author Share Posted November 23, 2024 4 hours ago, cyjs said: Is Wendy a big eater? Yes. To try fill the hole in her heart. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 This is the first time I heard about it. Thank you for letting me know about this. 15 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: 是的。试图填补她内心的空洞。 This is the first time I heard about it. Thank you for letting me know about this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 7 hours ago, PhoeniXXTalon said: i agree its current form is more interesting but i think if u just spam heals its too strong. also u can resummon abby when she dies to tank infinite damage. unfortunately i think it just doesnt work in practice i think the new version could still be fun if special effects from headgear also applied to abby. u can still spam heals but u cant just face tank Sure, is strong but more expensive than simply wearing a thulecite crown or the stupidly cheap rift helmets 7 hours ago, WenericMember said: The existing variation encourages bad habits when fighting with Wendy, in that facetanking will often be preferable to kiting as there's less chance of bosses hitting Abigail. It doesn't help with Wendy's learning curve at all. The armour still takes up the chest slot, which is a significant drawback. We don't know how it'll be implemented. I imagine it'll consume durability, but less than normal (bc otherwise it consumes a stupid amount of Durability) And the future iteration encourages stand still watching abi tanking with her (600hp+300hp from sistrum)*1.8 or 1.9 total health.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuntunhemudu Posted November 23, 2024 Share Posted November 23, 2024 7 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said: "The Flower Shroud currently redirects Wendy's damage onto Abigail. It will change so that Abigail will benefit from Wendy's head gear armor instead" i like the current version more, where abigail takes damage for you, but you can heal her with food. I like it more like this than giving abigail armour because i find this more interesting, fun and better balanced. The armour would make abigail way too easy to not die, a regular healing potion would likely make abigail able to outheal all damage. It would make Wendy less fun to manage abigail. Wendy attempted to kill the Dragonfly without head armor, resource consumption is 15 Spectral Cure-All (for rookie) or 2 Spectral Cure-All (for veteran). If Abigail can benefit from Wendy's head gear armor, the estimated resource consumption is: 3 Spectral Cure-All +7 Football Helmet (for rookie) or 1 Spectral Cure-All +2 Football Helmet (for veteran). The latter is more reasonable. 7 hours ago, scratchvarius said: Redirecting damage Wendy receives onto Abby has obvious downsides. For instance, Wendy would be immune to hunger and overheat damage. This part of the skilltree can be further divided to form branches. Force the player to choose a floral armor that cannot transfer over cold/heat/hunger damage but does not cause Wendy to slow down, or choose a floral armor that can transfer over cold/heat/hunger damage but has a more pronounced slowing effect. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161002-dont-change-this-skill-please-ab/#findComment-1759711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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