Do you think that the "Projector" animated short takes place in 1906?

[WinterWondering]

Self-explanatory. 

Here's my opinion:

I think that this takes place after Disconnected due to Robert's hair color, so I think this has to take place at least a decent amount of time after 1906, because WX would be in the Constant before Maxwell otherwise which, while possible, would be very strange. That said, there are other explanations for this.

I also find it interesting to note that we know that Maxwell's last at in '06 causes an entire earthquake, one that destroyed thousands of buildings and lead to many deaths; it wasn't just one building like we see in the short.

I personally think that the man that Robert leaves to die somehow uncovered (or maybe was even the original recorder) Maxwell's final act and that, in replaying it, he caused a much smaller earthquake.

That's just my opinion, of course, and I'm interested to hear what you all have to say. :]

[Cassielu]

I don't think the Wagstaff is much younger in "Disconnected", it's just that the art style/color filter makes his hair appear darker. If the artist really wanted to show a younger Wagstaff, they obviously would have use something more distinctive, such as different hairstyles in the "Survival Guide" and "Projector", rather than just changing the hair color.

 

[Evelo]

I don't believe it takes place. I know it does. Specifically April 17th 1906. Given the rubble and the film Wagstaff watched. There are numerous lore videos out there if you wish to learn more about the chronology of the lore.

[NPCMaxwell]

(isn't there small footage of Wagstaff on the universal exposition in another video short that isn't projector and doesn't he look the same in it than in projector? Considering he probably went to the exposition in 1900 it's unlikely to me that he would be younger then that in projector)

(apart from that I believe the earthquake was NEEDED to cause the "opening" the view into the world that the projector granted)

[WinterWondering]

20 hours ago, Cassielu said:

I don't think the Wagstaff is much younger in "Disconnected", it's just that the art style/color filter makes his hair appear darker. If the artist really wanted to show a younger Wagstaff, they obviously would have use something more distinctive, such as different hairstyles in the "Survival Guide" and "Projector", rather than just changing the hair color.

 

That's fair. I personally feel like giving him strands of white hair was intentional to make him look older and differentiate him, but I could totally see it going either way.

18 hours ago, Evelo said:

I don't believe it takes place. I know it does. Specifically April 17th 1906. Given the rubble and the film Wagstaff watched. There are numerous lore videos out there if you wish to learn more about the chronology of the lore.

Totally fair! I personally feel like the rubble was too small-scale to have been the San Francisco earthquake, since, at least, historically, that was an earthquake of a very high magnitude, I'm not sure personally.

12 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said:

(isn't there small footage of Wagstaff on the universal exposition in another video short that isn't projector and doesn't he look the same in it than in projector? Considering he probably went to the exposition in 1900 it's unlikely to me that he would be younger then that in projector)

(apart from that I believe the earthquake was NEEDED to cause the "opening" the view into the world that the projector granted)

He looks older in Projector, to me at least, and I think that the expo he attends is in 1910 (I've made a post on that but now I want to update it because, rewatching the short, I'm screaming at how obvious it feels in my opinion), which would make this short take place after 1910 (unless he's a time-traveller) in my opinion.

[NPCMaxwell]

11 hours ago, WinterWondering said:

That's fair. I personally feel like giving him strands of white hair was intentional to make him look older and differentiate him, but I could totally see it going either way.

Totally fair! I personally feel like the rubble was too small-scale to have been the San Francisco earthquake, since, at least, historically, that was an earthquake of a very high magnitude, I'm not sure personally.

He looks older in Projector, to me at least, and I think that the expo he attends is in 1910 (I've made a post on that but now I want to update it because, rewatching the short, I'm screaming at how obvious it feels in my opinion), which would make this short take place after 1910 (unless he's a time-traveller) in my opinion.

That COULD be though, I was honestly thinking it was the 1900's one since it seems to me this is the most "famous" one that is referred to in every single history book on that time I have read lol

Maybe that's why I was "primed" to think of it as the 1900 exposition and therefore thought it was before.

^^ I may also be bad at estimating the age of fictional characters when it is just reffered to small-colour-changes.

Whatever it is, I like all ideas equally (and thanks for putting the Wagstaff-is-a-time-traveller into my head ONCE AGAIN xD It reminds me of my: Wait...why did they add a future-version of Wilson to the game, though as I first played with him. lol [ignore this, I don't actually think this, it was just my first thought of excitement and confusion when seeing there is another character coming with Hamlet that I actually want to PLAY with.] )

[Popian]

On 9/3/2024 at 11:37 PM, WinterWondering said:

it wasn't just one building like we see in the short

The short shows other buildings across from the theater taking damage, with the earthquake beginning at 0:15:

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On 9/3/2024 at 11:37 PM, WinterWondering said:

the man that Robert leaves to die somehow uncovered (or maybe was even the original recorder) Maxwell's final act and that, in replaying it, he caused a much smaller earthquake

I would think that if this were the case such a detail would be important enough to be shown through a change in perspective. Wagstaff also took the reel (fully wound with the shadow inside) out of the recording device to play it, so it's unlikely that it had been replayed in any way.

On 9/4/2024 at 10:20 PM, WinterWondering said:

the rubble

I think what is being referred to is the stage. The footlights, pillars, curtains, props (evergreens, clouds, mountain) etc. are all similar:

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Minor issues are the lack of signage for what you would expect should have been playing at the theater (explained by a private showing for a small audience) and that the recording device is brought from the audience onto the stage.

[WinterWondering]

14 hours ago, Popian said:

The short shows other buildings across from the theater taking damage, with the earthquake beginning at 0:15:

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I would think that if this were the case such a detail would be important enough to be shown through a change in perspective. Wagstaff also took the reel (fully wound with the shadow inside) out of the recording device to play it, so it's unlikely that it had been replayed in any way.

I think what is being referred to is the stage. The footlights, pillars, curtains, props (evergreens, clouds, mountain) etc. are all similar:

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Minor issues are the lack of signage for what you would expect should have been playing at the theater (explained by a private showing for a small audience) and that the recording device is brought from the audience onto the stage.

Totally fair points! 

You're right that it's multiple buildings, that's a valid argument. I guess my question would be if that's how Klei would depict such a big earthquake.

I also understand that second point. Completely fair, and really just comes down to what we think Klei means by what they show us.

I think that the lack of signage isn't really a point in either direction, but that's worth pointing out.

I've talked about this on other threads, but the earthquake is more of a separate issue for me than how the timeline ends up working out. I feel like the choice to change his hair color is intentional, and, given that he looks older than his does in Firewood, which I think takes place in 1910 (here's my evidence :]). I don't think that it has to be this way, of course, I just think that the change in design was intentional and probably meant to point us in the correct direction.

But, yeah! Thank you! Absolutely good points. :]