What's your least favoured character?

[WenericMember]

12 minutes ago, shaurun said:

It terms of resources she can farm nightmare fuel with ease but I suppose she's not the only one. Whe i played on public server with unknown team as Willow last time (probably a year ago), I was rushing to craft several teddies and repare kits. Then I was farming for meats -> bird feeding -> rotting eggs and converting everything to BOOOM because it seemed to be in character. I had fun and I think I was contributing.

I think you misunderstand me. It's not about being unable to contribute, every character is able to contribute to a group environment. My issue is she doesn't contribute anything meaningfully unique compared to the rest of the cast.

I mean listing every character's unique contributions that aren't stats:

• Wilson: Transumation, Beard Hair
• Willow: ???
• Wolfgang: Exceptionally high DPS potential
• Wendy: Basically the only source of Cheap, infinite AOE
• WX-78: Circuits like the Chorusbox & Illumination
• Wickerbottom: Like 60% of her books
• Woodie: Earlygame exploration with weregoose, midgame combat with weremoose
• Wes: Balloonomancy
• Maxwell: Shadow Prison, Shadow Dimension
• Wigfrid: Songs, & Sustainability when fighting
• Webber: Cheap hordes
• Winona: Not much but her inventions
• Warly: Unique dishes & spices.
• Wortox: AOE healing, teleportation for exploring
• Wormwood: Unique crafts & cheap living logs
• Wurt: Merm neutrality and King trades
• Walter:  Campfire stories, tent & dung rounds
• Wanda: like 60% of her clocks

(Unsurprisingly, Wolfgang's main thing is pretty much stats in terms of damage, so unsurprisingly  he's also lower on my rankings of characters)

Willow basically has a less useful weremoose and a slightly more effective torch, So when I see her being played I can't help but think "this would go better if Willow was someone else", which I really don't think I can say about any other character with the same certainty.

[ShadowbirdRH]

  

1 hour ago, shaurun said:

Um... why do you think Wilson and Woodie are hostile to Corvus birds?

Woodie for his hate for all birds in general, and Wilson mostly for the default profile pic that he's had forever. Also, not sure about you, but I hardly consider "Creepy!" to be a term of endearment.

[shaurun]

NOOOOOOO someone hates Maxwell players 

[Gashzer]

14 hours ago, arubaro said:

 

you said that bernie can deal with hordes as good as abi and im saying that isnt true. I dont care how unique or valuable is Bernie, we are talking about your take about abi not being unique and being as weak as bernie against hordes (which is weird to say, everybody knows how bad and slow is bernie against defeating enemies by his self)

 

 

biased as always 

Webbers spiders can attack hordes of mobs (spiders, shadow splumonkeys), wurts merms can attack hordes of mobs, while not having AoE they still help alot and save your life. Abigail has AoE yes but big woop AoE isnt the most special trait in the world and all 3 of these follower types still cant help you against one of the most dangerous mobs in the game which are nightmare beaks.

Bernie is the only follower that can attack nightmare creatures. This makes him unique. And he takes aggro off you. Plus how lazy can you be not to stand beside bernie an hold F? Many a time i walk into the full ancient science station during nightmare phase and just wreck everything with bernie while every other character would have to be a wee chicken and wait or slowly kite one shadow at a time. This makes loads of nightmare fuel for thulecite gear too.

Bernie is more reliable too if he dies you can have a backup in inventory to instantly respawn him during an intense fight and a sewing kit to repair him whenever.

Abigail is better if you are a lazy noob. Bernie is alot better for experienced players that can manage sanity easily.

[_zwb]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

one of the most dangerous mobs in the game which are nightmare beaks.

Are you serious about this? They're so easy to kite

9 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Bernie is alot better for experienced players that can manage sanity easily.

If they can manage sanity easily they wouldn't need Bernie's help

[Gashzer]

3 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Are you serious about this? They're so easy to kite

Yeah one or 2 of them are if you are fighting them by themselves. In the ruins or trying to kite 2 terror beaks during a boss fight and they become the most dangerous common mob in the game. 

Willow can walk straight into an army of nightmare beaks during nightmare phase no sweat. A wendy player would have to run away or would be too busy trying to tame an ornery to even make it to the ruins during first autumn haha

Edit: and the more insane players there are the more terrors beaks can spawn making bernie more useful in a team situation.

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Webbers spiders can attack hordes of mobs (spiders, shadow splumonkeys), wurts merms can attack hordes of mobs, while not having AoE they still help alot and save your life. Abigail has AoE yes but big woop AoE isnt the most special trait in the world and all 3 of these follower types still cant help you against one of the most dangerous mobs in the game which are nightmare beaks.

Bernie is the only follower that can attack nightmare creatures. This makes him unique. And he takes aggro off you. Plus how lazy can you be not to stand beside bernie an hold F? Many a time i walk into the full ancient science station during nightmare phase and just wreck everything with bernie while every other character would have to be a wee chicken and wait or slowly kite one shadow at a time. This makes loads of nightmare fuel for thulecite gear too.

Bernie is more reliable too if he dies you can have a backup in inventory to instantly respawn him during an intense fight and a sewing kit to repair him whenever.

Abigail is better if you are a lazy noob. Bernie is alot better for experienced players that can manage sanity easily.

I'd find that interesting if nightmares weren't painfully easy to deal with. You bait the attack and hit. You can't even get punished for greeding too many hits bc they teleport away! "Managing sanity" makes bernie barely relevant. Bernie requires a bunch of annoying resources to get and doesn't function if you aren't insane.

All the other forms you described are simultaneously more expensive and less efficient than Abbi.

Basically no-one stays in the ruins in the nightmare phase, so I don't know why you're trying to own Wendy specifically with this. Or... you could farm nightmares from fissures outside of the ruins and enter once calm phase begins. Its not really a benfit.

 

[_zwb]

10 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

In the ruins or trying to kite 2 terror beaks during a boss fight and they become the most dangerous common mob in the game. 

In the ruins you can avoid entering rooms with nightmare lights during wild phase, in a boss fight you can prepare sanity foods if the sanity drain is massive. In both cases it's a "you problem", not preparing enough or making bad decisions, not really a result of terrorbeaks being dangerous.

13 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Willow can walk straight into an army of nightmare beaks during nightmare phase no sweat.

I would like to see a demonstration of that because it doesn't sound believable.

[Gashzer]

4 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Basically no-one stays in the ruins in the nightmare phase, so I don't know why you're trying to own Wendy specifically with this. Or... you could farm nightmares from fissures outside of the ruins and enter once calm phase begins. Its not really a benfit.

Exactly everyone stops exploring or chills out if caught in the middle of a nightmare phase. Willow is unique as she has a 1000% easier time in continuing exploring and doesnt need to chill. 

Shocks me how people refuse to acknowledge a characters strength because of their beep boop robotic rigid playstyles.

[WenericMember]

3 minutes ago, _zwb said:

In the ruins you can avoid entering rooms with nightmare lights during wild phase, in a boss fight you can prepare sanity foods if the sanity drain is massive. In both cases it's a "you problem", not preparing enough or making bad decisions, not really a result of terrorbeaks being dangerous.

You might even say its for lazy noobs :P

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Exactly everyone stops exploring or chills out if caught in the middle of a nightmare phase. Willow is unique as she has a 1000% easier time in continuing exploring and doesnt need to chill. 

Shocks me how people refuse to acknowledge a characters strength because of their beep boop robotic rigid playstyles.

Because its not a meaningful upside?

The amount of resources required is more than normal, and the amount of benefit is.... at most 5 minutes of time saved. In the grand scheme of things, that's nothing.
Wendy can gather a surplus of resources other characters struggle to gather any of.

In that exact case, I'd rather go wortox/Wanda and just instantly teleport into a safe location. It doesn't help because WILLOW STILL CAN'T ENTER THE RUINS DURING NIGHTMARE PHASE BC OF THE SPELMONEYKS.

[Gashzer]

15 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

You might even say its for lazy noobs :P

Because its not a meaningful upside?

The amount of resources required is more than normal, and the amount of benefit is.... at most 5 minutes of time saved. In the grand scheme of things, that's nothing.
Wendy can gather a surplus of resources other characters struggle to gather any of.

In that exact case, I'd rather go wortox/Wanda and just instantly teleport into a safe location. It doesn't help because WILLOW STILL CAN'T ENTER THE RUINS DURING NIGHTMARE PHASE BC OF THE SPELMONEYKS.

Willow has to grind abit to get a second bernie and a sewing kit but its worth it for a stronger follower than Abigail. Willow can use her lighter to cook or eat raw blue/green caps to control sanity while on the go. Blue caps also can become a cheap early game method of healing/sanity control for willow. 

Willow can farm shadow splumonkeys with bernie super easy what are you on about? I get like a billion beard hair for mass bernie production during the nightmare phase lol

If you dont like making sewing kits making loads of bernies can work instead as 0% bernies refund 50% of its crafting material after 3 days on the ground, you can swap out the dead bernies for 100% ones.

[grm9]

33 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Exactly everyone stops exploring or chills out if caught in the middle of a nightmare phase. Willow is unique as she has a 1000% easier time in continuing exploring and doesnt need to chill. 

no you don't? i normally farm nightmare fuel during nightmare phase by luring out the nightmares to the corridors between rooms one by one or two by two, since you need it for crafting stuff anyway 

30 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

STILL CAN'T ENTER THE RUINS DURING NIGHTMARE PHASE BC OF THE SPELMONEYKS.

rook

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

no you don't? i normally farm nightmare fuel during nightmare phase by luring out the nightmares to the corridors between rooms one by one, since you need it for crafting stuff anyway 

Yeah one by one is slow, i do that also but with willow you and bernie can quickly tank kill all the nightmares rather than slowly kite kill them

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

rook

Rook wrecks abigail, bernie can tank 10 hits from one but you should be helping him anyway. One sewing kit allows bernie to tank a whopping 60 hits from rooks in total if hes starting at 100%.

Bernie tanking the bishops laser is the more helpful trait while you are tank killing the rooks.

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Willow can farm shadow splumonkeys with bernie super easy what are you on about? I get like a billion beard hair for mass bernie production during the nightmare phase lol

Ok this has to be a joke. Bernie cannot take on a meaningful amount of Spelmonkeys. Assuming you

A) have bernie

B) are insane

Bernie 3HKOS spelmonkeys, and completely lacks any form of AOE. He doesn't beat a horde especially with nightmares distracting him.

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

Ok this has to be a joke. Bernie cannot take on a meaningful amount of Spelmonkeys. Assuming you

A) have bernie

B) are insane

Bernie 3HKOS spelmonkeys, and completely lacks any form of AOE. He doesn't beat a horde especially with nightmares distracting him.

Yeah but bernie is not going to be fighting the splumonkeys alone... that is a wendy attitude, you are going to be standing beside him pressing F with a hambat and then together you can slaughter a huge amount lol

[_zwb]

17 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Willow can farm shadow splumonkeys with bernie super easy what are you on about?

Doesn't Bernie die to monkeys quickly because of its non-aoe attack? Again could you demonstrate this with a video?

[WenericMember]

8 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Yeah but bernie is not going to be fighting the splumonkeys alone... that is a wendy attitude, you are going to be standing beside him pressing F with a hambat and then together you can slaughter a huge amount lol

What the heck are you talking about.

WENDY HAS A GREATER INCENTIVE TO FIGHT ALONGSIDE ABIGAIL THE WILLOW DOES. 

Abigail's Hex increases Wendy's DPS by about 40% on top of Abigail's damage and is all but a necessity to maintain abigails HP when fighting stronger mobs.The only mindset problem here if the assumption that anyone who plays Wendy stops pressing buttons while abigail is in aggro mode.

To properly use Abigail you have to

• Intentionally draw Aggro of stronger, single target mobs
• Maintain abigail's potions during extended fights.
• Capatilse on Abigail's hex to drastically improve DPS
• Keep the relative position of Abigail  in mind when baiting attacks

 

[Gashzer]

Just now, _zwb said:

Doesn't Bernie die to monkeys quickly because of its non-aoe attack? Again could you demonstrate this with a video?

At work unfortunately, 2 bernies and a sewing kit and good luck splumonkeys in trying to kill my 14000hp personal boss lol

[grm9]

16 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Rook wrecks abigail, bernie can tank 10 hits from one but you should be helping him anyway. One sewing kit allows bernie to tank a whopping 60 hits from rooks in total if hes starting at 100%.

Bernie tanking the bishops laser is the more helpful trait while you are tank killing the rooks.

i meant rook killing monkeys, you don't need to fight rooks and abigail can tank bishops too

16 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Yeah one by one is slow, i do that also but with willow you and bernie can quickly tank kill all the nightmares rather than slowly kite kill them

do two by two then, it also still doesn't save as much time as abigail does in case of other stuff that isn't nightmares 

[Gashzer]

6 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

What the heck are you talking about.

WENDY HAS A GREATER INCENTIVE TO FIGHT ALONGSIDE ABIGAIL THE WILLOW DOES. 

Abigail's Hex increases Wendy's DPS by about 40% on top of Abigail's damage and is all but a necessity to maintain abigails HP when fighting stronger mobs.The only mindset problem here if the assumption that anyone who plays Wendy stops pressing buttons while abigail is in aggro mode.

To properly use Abigail you have to

• Intentionally draw Aggro of stronger, single target mobs
• Maintain abigail's potions during extended fights.
• Capatilse on Abigail's hex to drastically improve DPS
• Keep the relative position of Abigail  in mind when baiting attacks

 

Well abigail can boost wendys dps for some non-aoe bosses. However Bernie can indirectly boost the defensive and offensive QoL of Willow during boss fights. Willow is more efficient using night armour for massive defence, bat bat for healing and dark sword for damage without worrying about grinding spoilable sanity food. Also bernie will be passively farming more nightmare fuel during the fight itself to replace what you use up.

People forget that dps isnt everything in this game. 

[arubaro]

1 hour ago, Gashzer said:

Webbers spiders can attack hordes of mobs (spiders, shadow splumonkeys), wurts merms can attack hordes of mobs, while not having AoE they still help alot and save your life. Abigail has AoE yes but big woop AoE isnt the most special trait in the world and all 3 of these follower types still cant help you against one of the most dangerous mobs in the game which are nightmare beaks.

Bernie is the only follower that can attack nightmare creatures. This makes him unique. And he takes aggro off you. Plus how lazy can you be not to stand beside bernie an hold F? Many a time i walk into the full ancient science station during nightmare phase and just wreck everything with bernie while every other character would have to be a wee chicken and wait or slowly kite one shadow at a time. This makes loads of nightmare fuel for thulecite gear too.

Bernie is more reliable too if he dies you can have a backup in inventory to instantly respawn him during an intense fight and a sewing kit to repair him whenever.

Abigail is better if you are a lazy noob. Bernie is alot better for experienced players that can manage sanity easily.

whatever, you are right. Wendy isnt unique, is like playing with wilson. You won

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

grinding spoilable sanity food

when picking cactus and cooking it is grinding 

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

when picking cactus and cooking it is grinding 

Willow cooks faster so even if you want to go that route...... shes better at that too hahahahaha

[arubaro]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

when picking cactus and cooking it is grinding 

 like how is needing to farm food to recruit followers but you cant argue with someone who doesn't want to have a discussion 

[Gashzer]

7 minutes ago, arubaro said:

 like how is needing to farm food to recruit followers but you cant argue with someone who doesn't want to have a discussion 

Less of a discussion and more of a debate. 

I think ive explained my counter points with good logic... Klei will read this topic and take both our playstyles into account when making skill trees for Willow and Wendy.

Klei probably already surmized that Wendy is so popular because number one she has lazy perks that require no grind so all the noobs can use her and number two Wendy is a very aesthetically pleasing character to look at with great skins.

No new ground is going to made about Wendy here. However atleast i can defend Willow so klei dont mess around with bernie too much or can think about giving some QoL skills to make repairing/maintaining him a wee bit less grindy. Not that a sewing kit is hard to make but a couple of character unique ways to repair him would be nice too.