Please make these MODs part of VANILLA game !

[PoorFellow]

Please make the game functionality brought by the following MODs to be an optional choice for the easiest game mode for VANILLA ONI game (both with and without DLCs)

Infinite Liquid/Gas Sources  
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1711115962
Storage Bigger Capacity
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1720247784&searchtext=Storage+Bigger+Capacity
Bigger Camera Zoom Out
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1717463209&searchtext=Bigger+Camera+Zoom+Out

(At least the "Infinite" MOD as MOD seem to be out of date and may be buggy so not really an alternative for players/users)

Long explanation here if needed : ( I am NOT looking for a discussion of this with other users , I am simply asking Klei Entertainment for something !)

I recently bought Oxygen Not Included on Steam.   Being someone that had played Terraria and a lot of other games then initially for the first many hours I have really enjoyed the while doing research and exploring in-game waiting for all them nice things to appear..   But they just never appeared. By now I have done all research tree but the 6 most down and far right (those requiring 3 research stations).  

Having chosen the most easy game mode , and frankly just looking for having a good time playing the game , then I would have expected that game at some point became easier, but no !   What I am bombarded with as an endless number of requirement that apparently are almost impossible to fulfill  (NO NOT looking for help playing the game either !) 

But to try to boil it down : I had water in game , used all water , dug farther up , channeled water down , used all water , dug farther up and got more water which is soon gone..

Could try to do with polluted water but even if cleaned it will contain germs  then I have to kill germs goes to Wiki and find all sorts of contraptions and again I am confronted with the fact that I have no oil for plastics , think I found crude oil but in structures too far away and air too polluted , the look at contraptions and realize that even with plastics it would take forever to build and test not mention even to find out how everything works and I really do not want to have to build any of it since everything is a guessing game , like when I build the Water Sieve and a liquid storage and piped it together finds out that it needs one or more pumps which I didn't see written anywhere , yes I can use the Wiki but it's like you have no idea how much I have to read to do even basic stuff like purify water that is then not even germ free...

Then , oh ! yes ! the little fellas are well if not suffocating then close because of too poor air quality everywhere ! Make more air or purify same you says ?  How am I going to do this since I can not find enough Algea to keep feeding the machines ? And I can not use the Electrolyzer since I am almost out of clean water and polluted water will both ruin Electrolyzer (or so says info found online/ in Wiki?)  and even if then oxygen will full of germs !

So suddenly the game is no fun anymore and it suddenly becomes something that looks as if hostile towards player...

Yes ! I DO KNOW ! , I am a total noob with respect to the ONI game and this forum are most likely filled with people who all knows that much better than me and some may be friendly and some may not, but neither of this interests me.  I am not looking for any discussions or tip for have to play the game. I can get thousands of hours worth of that by opening my internet browser.  But that still do not make the game more accessible to a noob like me.    I have only played ONI for around 60 hours ..   But my top 10 Steam games I have clocked around 3600 hours in (*none* of them MP shooters. other than maybe 340 hours "Dead Island" that is MP)  plus I have +1500 hours in my favorite EA game + my UBISoft not to mention GOG.  What I mean to tell is that I actually do know my way around a computer and in a normal computer game !    However neither of this helps with ONI  !

I really like Oxygen Not Included in as much as it is a rather interesting game that , at least in easiest game mode , is kind of forgiving.  However learning curve is far too steep and there are too much to learn and to digest and much of the tech becomes  too techy or directly intimidating to have to deal with for the average user , unless they want to spend their time on Youtube or begging for MODs and advice over at Steam...

Hence my suggestion for the Infinite Liquid/Gas Sources  MOD to be an optional part of the easiest game mode in ONI.    

The "Storage Bigger Capacity"  and the  "Bigger Camera Zoom Out"  are not really necessities but I might as well ask for them since have had to waste an hour or two at registering and writing all this here !

[SGT_Imalas]

Bigger Camera Zoom Out and Infinite sources are part of the game

for the camera, hit alt+s and for infinite sources either enable debug mode or just spawn in stuff in sandbox

 

besides that - oni is a game that has you learning by failing.

reading the ingame codex and building descriptions can also help with tackling these basic issues

[PoorFellow]

8 minutes ago, SGT_Imalas said:

Bigger Camera Zoom Out and Infinite sources are part of the game

for the camera, hit alt+s and for infinite sources either enable debug mode or just spawn in stuff in sandbox

 

besides that - oni is a game that has you learning by failing

 

Thank you , I didn't know about altering the camera past mouse wheel zoom and I didn't know about the Debug and Sandbox mode.   These modes are definitely something that I can use to test how the more technical things works and to learn to use in combination !

However , then as for the 'Infinite' then I do not think that Sandbox or Debug is the solution.  What I am aiming at is to be able to play the  game in a way that is manageable even for an ONI beginner such as myself not to how to effectively take the reason for all game-play away which I think that it would be like if I were just going to spawn anything I needed in game !  

[Knurek]

39 minutes ago, SGT_Imalas said:

for the camera, hit alt+s

Nice, thanks!

[pether]

6 hours ago, PoorFellow said:

Infinite Liquid/Gas Sources  

Didn't use that mod, but I understand this is already part of the base game - Klei recenlty added buildings that spawn gas/liquid/solids into their pipes/rails.

On top of that it's worth to add that after DLC release Klei is doing pretty good job to implement the most needed mods - with Pliers Cherry on top!

[PoorFellow]

1 hour ago, pether said:

Didn't use that mod, but I understand this is already part of the base game - Klei recenlty added buildings that spawn gas/liquid/solids into their pipes/rails.

On top of that it's worth to add that after DLC release Klei is doing pretty good job to implement the most needed mods - with Pliers Cherry on top!

Prior to starting game I read that game were more difficult if playing with DLC so I did not install the DLC.  

Anyway , I think that as an *optional* help to turn on for beginners in easiest game mode then the game ought to have built in *optional* access to the the "Infinite Liquid/Gas Sources" buildings as in the MOD of same name ! 

[Knurek]

8 hours ago, pether said:

Klei recenlty added buildings that spawn gas/liquid/solids into their pipes/rails.

If these are already in debug mode, then I guess all Klei would have to do is add a checkbox in difficulty settings and enable these buildings.

[pether]

9 hours ago, PoorFellow said:

Prior to starting game I read that game were more difficult if playing with DLC so I did not install the DLC. 

They are not part of the DLC, they just appear sometime around DLC. Probably later, I dont recall exact timeline

[PoorFellow]

6 hours ago, pether said:

They are not part of the DLC, they just appear sometime around DLC. Probably later, I dont recall exact timeline

Like I wrote initially when making the request to Klei Entertainment then , quote : "this forum are most likely filled with people who all knows that much better than me" , so I already knew back then how this was going to end (in endless discussion with people that all "knows better").

But I have not seen any such buildings in my game..    But from what Knurek writes (thanks @ Knurek) then I gather that the by you mentioned buildings are either in the Debug or in the Sandbox mode which really do not help people playing the game beginners 'vanilla' . just saying...

Anyway , any game where the beginners have to start with 'cheating' by using Debug or Sandbox mode to me obviously fails to be inviting to new players and ONI to me then begins to remind me somewhat of Frostpunk a game that in the extreme is hostile toward the player and it is simply no fun to play.  Don't get me wrong , I managed to play a 'map' to the end and thus beat the game , but I am most likely never going to play that game again ever...  (got around 35 hours of play in that one).

To me the 'friendly thing' to do would be to make the 'vanilla' game more accessible to the new players , the ONI noobs like me.  And I think that I already wrote it more times here : I actually like ONI , I have already played it around 60 hours, and when getting annoyed with the game because of the lack of water and oxygen then my first thought were not 'screw that game' (pardon my 'French') , my first thought were actually that I looked into what it would take to MOD the functionality of some of the buildings myself or make a couple of new buildings myself.  But looking into it and discovering that it involves C# programming and de-compiling the game code then I realize that that's not going to happen, at least not any time soon....

Hence my request to  Klei Entertainment here ! 

Now , please excuse me , there seem to have been a misunderstanding here , I am in no way hostile in my opinion against the ONI game , the fact that I am bothering to come here and give this wish to  Klei Entertainment and having to discuss this with you despite initially giving my wish not to do any such thing ought to be construed as a friendly action in as much as that I am really only asking that the game be more accessible to the total ONI noob , which is again someone like me !  Nothing you write is helping to do that in as much as that most of the other noobs/people probably are not going to come here and ask for your help or express their grievances.  Surely some are going to be wailing over at the Steam forum but I do not see that helping on general popularity either...

Of course , implementing what I asked with respect to an option to have the functionality of the "Infinite Liquid/Gas Sources" MOD as an option in the easiest beginners vanilla game mode ought to be done so it is made clear to the player that it is to be considered like being a pair of 'training wheels' that ought to be gotten rid of later and to satisfy people like you then maybe it should even do that you can get no achievements (or make some of same depending on difficulty).  (I myself got the Locavore achievement not cheating which ought to speak barrels about my game ).   I mean a lot of people want games to be really difficult and have their Steam achievement show that , and of course we ought not offend any of them.  I just think that the game needs some training wheels for the ONI noob .   

[pether]

On 7/15/2023 at 12:53 PM, PoorFellow said:

But I have not seen any such buildings in my game..    But from what Knurek writes (thanks @ Knurek) then I gather that the by you mentioned buildings are either in the Debug or in the Sandbox mode which really do not help people playing the game beginners 'vanilla' . just saying...

Anyway , any game where the beginners have to start with 'cheating' by using Debug or Sandbox mode to me obviously fails to be inviting to new players

Yes, they are part of Sandbox/Debug mode. I can imagine Klei not really wanting to put them in survival mode, as they would greatly affect game balance and make many other features redundant or obsolete.

However, there is no shame in learning the game in sandbox mode. This is single player game and you can't really cheat in here. Or rather - you can, but the definition of cheating depends only on you and the only cheated person is you, so just play the game however you like.

Some people would say playing with debug mode is cheating. Other could say the same about mods with infinite resources, or just mods in general. Other people like it hardcore and don't accept anything easier than max difficulty settings. But really noone from those examples will be harmed if you adjusted the game to your needs. If you want to play with infinite resources just do it  I play like that myself sometimes, ofc the goal is different than in normal game, but it can still be fun and valuable learning experience.

And since those buildings already exist in debug mode I doubt they will appear in the other one