Shadow affinity got worse!

[ADN69]

The shadow affinity is even weaker than before since now the damage debuff is smaller  and does not help your team anymore. 

A hambat with pre-change vex deals

59.5+25% = 74.4 damage 

And it made wx a true support by increase also others damage by 25% to that target as well. including players and followers like pigman and bunnyman

Meaning it had the potential fire power to rival lunar afinty 

 

Rn the damage is 20% to all attacks which is nothing and it doesn't do that damage in early game where it matters more. 

59.5 + 20%=71 damage

And it doesn't apply for your teammates anymore. Which removes the teamwork aspect that I loved. 

 

 The benefits of autograbing items is locked behind nightmare fuel. 

 

But that also means you can't have the extra damage without giving up the utility of the picking items. 

 

Instead of making a a thing to add more to character. 

You actively made work against it by making a choice that no one will do because one is just better

And the overcharge with nightmare fuel or pure horror doesnt matter if it doesn't give you a permanent charge. 

 

[Jakepeng99]

1 minute ago, ADN69 said:

And it made wx a true support by increase also others damage by 25% to that target as well. including players and followers like pigman and bunnyman

It has never done this

[loonreaper]

It was too strong before. If you have access to a shadow heart you can kill AFW and get a bone armor and a shadow maul. Even without affinities, electro shock + bone armor + spin circuit + maul + blocking (Which can all be acquired by the first spring) = incredibly overpowered (and fun) already. I think having him as a super high DPS + super high defence + instant teleportation + support is a little too much.

Edited 19 hours ago by loonreaper

[ADN69]

13 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

It has never done this

It did before they changed it. 

Because it was a vex. Kinda like Abigail debuff. 

Where enemies take an extra 25% from all sources of psychical damage.

[doritosdamafia]

8 minutes ago, loonreaper said:

It was too strong before. If you have access to a shadow heart you can kill AFW and get a bone armor and a shadow maul. Even without affinities, electro shock + bone armor + spin circuit + maul + blocking = incredibly overpowered (and fun) already. I think having him as a super high DPS + super high defence + support is a little too much.

this is not that strong for a pos rift set and unless you are in a group, there's no reason to equip the defence circuit instead of a second spin, and the electric circuit causes more trouble if you are using the spin circuit than good

[whiteking]

30 minutes ago, loonreaper said:

It was too strong before. If you have access to a shadow heart you can kill AFW and get a bone armor and a shadow maul. Even without affinities, electro shock + bone armor + spin circuit + maul + blocking (Which can all be acquired by the first spring) = incredibly overpowered (and fun) already. I think having him as a super high DPS + super high defence + instant teleportation + support is a little too much.

max，wolf，wood， Every combat character can receive high damage earlier than him. Wx has no team contribution, by the time he receives enough damage, other characters will have already defeated all bosses

Edited 19 hours ago by whiteking

[Kvetevk]

10 minutes ago, whiteking said:

max，wolf，wood， Every combat character can receive high damage earlier than him. Wx has no team contribution, by the time he receives enough damage, other characters will have already defeated all bosses

Max have low max hp, Wolfgangs main thing is damage and Woodie cannot do anything else in the moose form and it also drains his sanity.

Wx78 on the other hand can have massive max hp, can already deal more damage with axe and both affinities + electric damage and zap drone, and he doesn't have any drawbacks except wetness.

Edited 18 hours ago by Kvetevk

[whiteking]

15 minutes ago, Kvetevk said:

Max have low max hp, Wolfgangs main thing is damage and Woodie cannot do anything else in the moose form and it also drains his sanity.

Wx78 on the other hand can have massive max hp, can already deal more damage with axe and both affinities + electric damage and zap drone, and he doesn't have any drawbacks except wetness.

So? Max can easily kill dragons, bees, pigs, rhinoceroses within 10 days. Can WX do it? The heart of wx was unlocked as early as 21 days ago, and its core combat capabilities were only unlocked in the first spring, even though its team functions were far inferior to Max. By the time he obtains his exclusive weapon, Max has already defeated all the bosses

15 minutes ago, Kvetevk said:

Max have low max hp, Wolfgangs main thing is damage and Woodie cannot do anything else in the moose form and it also drains his sanity.

Wx78 on the other hand can have massive max hp, can already deal more damage with axe and both affinities + electric damage and zap drone, and he doesn't have any drawbacks except wetness.

woodie+wortox，max+willow， These combinations can easily defeat any boss. Wx cannot cooperate with any character. If he lacks personal abilities, I don't know the meaning of his existence

Edited 18 hours ago by whiteking

[beyond human]

I'm not saying WX is weak, but new exploiterator drone does make me feel disappointed.
The exploiterator drone keeps losing its target due to its terrible AI, while the WARBIS set get a scanning range buff to increase its usability.
How could both of these happen in the same update?

Edited 18 hours ago by beyond human

[Kvetevk]

13 minutes ago, whiteking said:

So? Max can easily kill dragons, bees, pigs, rhinoceroses within 10 days. Can WX do it? The heart of wx was unlocked as early as 21 days ago, and its core combat capabilities were only unlocked in the first spring, even though its team functions were far inferior to Max. By the time he obtains his exclusive weapon, Max has already defeated all the bosses

Its called snowballing, yes Maxwell can also buff his damage by gear, but can he have absurd stats? permanent night vision? super speed?
wx at first is weaker, but you can reliably get super-hardy, super-speed and light circuits by day 10.
 

17 minutes ago, whiteking said:

woodie+wortox，max+willow， These combinations can easily defeat any boss. Wx cannot cooperate with any character. If he lacks personal abilities, I don't know the meaning of his existence

any 2 characters can easily defeat any bosses faster than 1 (except wes)
what is stronger? woodie + wolfgang or 2x wx78 with 3 clones each (with prep time of course)

[whiteking]

2 minutes ago, Kvetevk said:

Its called snowballing, yes Maxwell can also buff his damage by gear, but can he have absurd stats? permanent night vision? super speed?
wx at first is weaker, but you can reliably get super-hardy, super-speed and light circuits by day 10.

any 2 characters can easily defeat any bosses faster than 1 (except wes)
what is stronger? woodie + wolfgang or 2x wx78 with 3 clones each (with prep time of course)

woodie+wortox， Can defeat the dragon on the first day.
You can try two wx and see how long it takes.

Edited 18 hours ago by whiteking

[YouKnowWho142]

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

It has never done this

It absolutely did do this, I was doing a dual WX run with a friend and I was benefitting from my friend’s 25% damage bonus. It functioned identically to a vex.

Why are you going into everyone’s posts defending every part of this skill tree when you clearly haven’t tested or have little knowledge on a lot of these topics?

Edited 17 hours ago by YouKnowWho142

[Kvetevk]

16 minutes ago, whiteking said:

woodie+wortox， Can defeat the dragon on the first day.
You can try two wx and see how long it takes.

So by that logic, Winona is just a Wilson.

Wx78 is a slow paste character, like Winona for example, if you care about speedrunning, then you should always pick Wolfgang, wx78 has more utilities and is more powerful than Wolfgang in late game

[Jakepeng99]

8 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

It absolutely did do this, I was doing a dual WX run with a friend and I was benefitting from my friend’s 25% damage bonus. It functioned identically to a vex.

Why are you going into everyone’s posts defending every part of this skill tree when you clearly haven’t tested or have little knowledge on a lot of these topics?

Were they other WX players? It only applies the buff to them. I didn’t mention it cus it seemed like a bug.

Also it never worked with bunnymen or followers, I tested with them. The other stuff is what I heard from other people.

[ADN69]

1 hour ago, whiteking said:

max，wolf，wood， Every combat character can receive high damage earlier than him. Wx has no team contribution, by the time he receives enough damage, other characters will have already defeated all bosses

Legit point. The earliest you can get is day 21.while others have it on day 1.which is not even comparable

[Crazy Gorilla]

I dont hate the damage buff or anything and its not strong, but I dont really even get the point of a straight up damage buff for WX. I feel like the lunar side covers that pretty well in a much more unique way. Just a stat damage damage increase never felt fitting for them in my opinion.

Again its neat I guess but if theyre gonna make it so weak and so late game they might as well just do something else entirely.

[YouKnowWho142]

6 minutes ago, Crazy Gorilla said:

I dont hate the damage buff or anything and its not strong, but I dont really even get the point of a straight up damage buff for WX. I feel like the lunar side covers that pretty well in a much more unique way. Just a stat damage damage increase never felt fitting for them in my opinion.

Again its neat I guess but if theyre gonna make it so weak and so late game they might as well just do something else entirely.

It's just to acclimate WX better into modern DST I'm assuming. 1x damage characters with no other ways to deal damage really struggle in modern DST, and WX was the only character who wasn't Wes or Wilson that just had zero ways to deal additional damage. Lunar has higher potential, but shadow is more consistent and easier to execute. 

[edulopes]

1 hour ago, whiteking said:

woodie+wortox， Can defeat the dragon on the first day.
You can try two wx and see how long it takes.

So ok  a wurt an merm king 10 merms and a merm armory you can kill almost ALL Bosses bys spawning infinite merm guards... I just solo'd scion with 30 merms and shadow affinity

[Crazy Gorilla]

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

It's just to acclimate WX better into modern DST I'm assuming. 1x damage characters with no other ways to deal damage really struggle in modern DST, and WX was the only character who wasn't Wes or Wilson that just had zero ways to deal additional damage. Lunar has higher potential, but shadow is more consistent and easier to execute. 

I mean, maybe? My judgement may be clouded because I dont typically play solo (though I have played solo WX before skill tree),  im usually in a duo. But I never found characters with more vanilla damage to be particularly underpowered in terms of bosses. 

Have you found that you struggle when playing WX? They can specialize in speed, get as much health, sanity, and hunger as you can dream of, infinite light, infinite storage, the chassis, delivery drones, lightning drones, one of the best items for passively mapping the world, and on top of all of that if you were REALLY struggling in fights, you have both electrification circuit AND you can summon up to 3 clones of yourself. I dont really think that on top of max stats and insane speed, electric damage, or the ability to ignore pretty much anything, WX particularly needs to have another 25% dmg boost slapped on aswell.

I think WX would be fine without another damage buff, theyve already got so much. I dont think the damage is OP, but I just dont see the point honestly. What the shadow affinity would be better suited for I dont know, I havent thought of it much yet. I like the ideas brought up here of something suited for better synergy with other players, like maybe some extra interaction players can have with the chassis? Im not sure. But it probably wont change now so hopefully they can just make something thats well tuned in the end.

[doritosdamafia]

25 minutes ago, Crazy Gorilla said:

I mean, maybe? My judgement may be clouded because I dont typically play solo (though I have played solo WX before skill tree),  im usually in a duo. But I never found characters with more vanilla damage to be particularly underpowered in terms of bosses. 

Have you found that you struggle when playing WX? They can specialize in speed, get as much health, sanity, and hunger as you can dream of, infinite light, infinite storage, the chassis, delivery drones, lightning drones, one of the best items for passively mapping the world, and on top of all of that if you were REALLY struggling in fights, you have both electrification circuit AND you can summon up to 3 clones of yourself. I dont really think that on top of max stats and insane speed, electric damage, or the ability to ignore pretty much anything, WX particularly needs to have another 25% dmg boost slapped on aswell.

I think WX would be fine without another damage buff, theyve already got so much. I dont think the damage is OP, but I just dont see the point honestly. What the shadow affinity would be better suited for I dont know, I havent thought of it much yet. I like the ideas brought up here of something suited for better synergy with other players, like maybe some extra interaction players can have with the chassis? Im not sure. But it probably wont change now so hopefully they can just make something thats well tuned in the end.

there's some bosses that became a resource sink if you are solo but with a friend become very easy, bee queen is a good example, solo you can't make too much mistake, but me and a friend are able to kill her while playing like a piece of crap, we made alot of mistakes, but solo depending on the character you don't have much of a window to fool around, dst with people that know how to play the game is a joke because the bosses became too easy and solo you need to grind depending on the boss

Edited 15 hours ago by doritosdamafia

[whiteking]

7 hours ago, Kvetevk said:

So by that logic, Winona is just a Wilson.

Wx78 is a slow paste character, like Winona for example, if you care about speedrunning, then you should always pick Wolfgang, wx78 has more utilities and is more powerful than Wolfgang in late game

The combat power of WX is completely incomparable to Winona. Of course, even so, some people may feel that wx is too powerful. It is obvious that some people cannot accept any character with a strength similar to their favorite character, even if the strength of these characters is ordinary, they still have to say that these characters are too strong

7 hours ago, ADN69 said:

Legit point. The earliest you can get is day 21.while others have it on day 1.which is not even comparable

In fact, time constraints are the biggest limitation. Wx was far less practical than any combat character 21 days ago, and even with a Wigfrid of 1.25, her helmet making can make a great contribution to the team. If a character has no contribution and lacks sufficient strength, then it is impossible for many players to be willing to use it

Edited 10 hours ago by whiteking

[Kvetevk]

33 minutes ago, whiteking said:

The combat power of WX is completely incomparable to Winona. Of course, even so, some people may feel that wx is too powerful. It is obvious that some people cannot accept any character with a strength similar to their favorite character, even if the strength of these characters is ordinary, they still have to say that these characters are too strong

Wx have everything except combat power from the start, in its current state, you can kill most of the bosses with 2 clones that have zap drones, because they can stun the boss indefinitely. Why would Wx78 out of all other characters should recieve 1 thing he is lacking? The clones are pretty powerful but you need to take care of them, shadow affinity on the other hand can give you passive bonus damage on top of everything else, can your favorite character go 50% faster without a walking cane or have passive regen or can deal fast aoe damage while also draining less durability from the tools or completely ignore 2 seasons or even explore the map faster?  I dont think so.

[ADN69]

13 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

It absolutely did do this, I was doing a dual WX run with a friend and I was benefitting from my friend’s 25% damage bonus. It functioned identically to a vex.

Why are you going into everyone’s posts defending every part of this skill tree when you clearly haven’t tested or have little knowledge on a lot of these topics?

This was the most unique aspect of his shadow afinty. And they took it away from it. 

Without enough compensation... 

 

[ADN69]

16 hours ago, loonreaper said:

It was too strong before. If you have access to a shadow heart you can kill AFW and get a bone armor and a shadow maul. Even without affinities, electro shock + bone armor + spin circuit + maul + blocking (Which can all be acquired by the first spring) = incredibly overpowered (and fun) already. I think having him as a super high DPS + super high defence + instant teleportation + support is a little too much.

Wigfrid has healt Regen with 25%bonus damage.  From day 1.

And you say this is broken? 

[loonreaper]

3 minutes ago, ADN69 said:

Wigfrid has healt Regen with 25%bonus damage.  From day 1.

And you say this is broken? 

Have you done boss runs with both Wigrid and WX? WX is broken from day 1 and continues to be broken all the way to post-rifts and endgame if you play them properly. WX-78 has access to unlimited night vision, seasonal immunity, mag speed, 300+ HP, and even mob control in the first few days. In the late game they have access to instant teleportation (Comparable to Wanda's), the DPS of Wolfgang, crowd-control like Wendy / Abby / Willow. I've mained all these characters and have done full boss runs with them and by far WX's has been the easiest / most fun.