tyammmoo Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 我玩韦伯的时候为了刷怪物肉会在一个地方放过一堆三级蜘蛛巢，带着阿比盖尔打过一次没打过。 同时阿比盖尔在打高脚鸟时在温蒂不干预的情况下感觉还是有点吃力。在蜘蛛巢没打过后直接换人了，唯一一次用温蒂。 整体感觉阿比盖尔在高强度战斗中生存存在问题，希望可以想鱼人一样阿比盖尔获得大减伤，比如80%或60%减伤加额外血量 When I was playing Webber, I used to put a bunch of third-level spider nests in one place to grind monster meat, and I took Abigail and I never did. Meanwhile, Abigail was still struggling to fight the stilts without Wendy's intervention. We switched after the spider's nest, the only time we used Wendy. The overall feeling is that Abigail has problems surviving high-intensity battles, and hopefully, like Fishman, Abigail can get big damage reduction, such as 80% or 60% damage reduction plus extra health 第二点，就是仇恨问题，主要在疯猪为代表的月后boos上，月后boos单人打练好走位事实上并不难打，一但加入阿比盖尔会导致boos节奏变乱导致翻车，不加入阿比盖尔而温蒂的攻击倍率又很低 我则是希望阿比盖尔能够长时间隐身（像月后幻影一样不可选中）/可以做一个药持续时间内让阿比盖尔的仇恨转移到温蒂上（降低阿比盖尔的仇恨优先级/温蒂持续释放嘲讽），核心在于如何解决boos仇恨丢失导致技能乱放的问题 The second point is the problem of hatred, mainly in the month after boos represented by the crazy pig, the month after boos single play is actually not difficult to play, but joining Abigail will cause the boos rhythm to change and lead to overturn, not joining Abigail and Wendy's attack rate is very low I hope that Abigail can be invisible for a long time (like the Phantom after the Moon is unselectable)/can make a drug duration to transfer Abigail's hatred to Wendy (reduce Abigail's hatred priority/Wendy continues to release sarcasm), the core is how to solve the problem of boos hate loss resulting in misplacement of skills 第三点，关于谋杀方面，我个人感觉谋杀过于麻烦，我没玩过小恶魔，但我相信一定没有小恶魔玩家喜欢蜜蜂谋杀，特别是在技能树有灵魂罐的情况下。我感觉谋杀不受待见的问题在于有新鲜度设定，需要依赖于打包带，而打包带实际使用起来很麻烦，特别是在突发状况下没有时间拆打包带。 Third, in terms of murder, I personally find murder too much trouble, I have not played Imp, but I believe that no Imp player will like bee murder, especially if the skill tree has a soul jar. I feel that the problem with murder is that it has a freshness setting and relies on the packing tape, which is cumbersome to actually use, especially if there is no time to remove the packing tape in emergencies. 最后关于第一版技能树的花衣，温蒂受到的伤害由阿比盖尔承担这个机制我个人还是挺认可的，但花衣的实际表现个人感觉还是偏弱， 我个人倾向把它设计成一把温蒂专武（可以和火腿棒对标）具有新鲜度设定，伤害可以和1.0角色的火腿棒对标，手持时温蒂受到的伤害由阿比盖尔承担。 设计定位为玩具而非战斗方面提升，用来给玩家练习走位 手持期间上面的第一点阿比盖尔减伤可以落实的话，阿比盖尔共享头部护甲感觉也没必要 Finally, in the first version of the Tree of Skill's flower coat, I personally agree with the mechanism that Wendy's damage is taken by Abigail, but the actual performance of the flower coat is still weak, My personal preference is to design it as a Wendy Master (which can be matched to a ham stick) with a freshness setting, damage can be matched to the 1.0 character's ham stick, and the damage Wendy takes when held by Abigail. The design is positioned as a toy rather than a combat upgrade, and is used to give players practice moving positions If the first Abigail damage reduction above can be implemented during hand holding, Abigail sharing the head armor feeling is not necessary Third, in terms of murder, I personally find murder too much trouble, I have not played Imp, but I believe that no Imp player will like bee murder, especially if the skill tree has a soul jar. I feel that the problem with murder being unpopular is that it has a freshness setting and relies on a packing tape, which is cumbersome to actually use, especially if there is no time to remove the packing tape in emergencies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162056-%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82wendy%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E4%B9%A6%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%80%E4%BA%9B%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee lol Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 Good ideas about the priority of hate. Now Gestalt survivability is weak, and her "hidden mode" is strange. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162056-%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82wendy%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E4%B9%A6%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%80%E4%BA%9B%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1771145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyammmoo Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 第一点的机器翻译有些问题，机器重新翻译了 我玩韦伯的时候，把很多3级的蜘蛛巢放在一个地方刷怪兽肉，阿比盖尔打不过。 与此同时，如果没有温蒂的干预，阿比盖尔仍然发现很难与多个高脚鸟战斗。 总体感觉是阿比盖尔在高强度的战斗中生存有问题，我希望能像鱼人一样给阿比盖尔减伤，比如 80% 或 60% 的减伤加上额外的生命值 2小时前， Lee lol 说： 关于仇恨优先权的好主意。现在格式塔的生存能力很弱，她的“隐藏模式”很奇怪。 Boss 仇恨经常变化，使游戏变得更加困难 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162056-%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82wendy%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E4%B9%A6%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%80%E4%BA%9B%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1771268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee lol Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 2 minutes ago, tyammmoo said: 第一点的机器翻译有些问题，机器重新翻译了 我玩韦伯的时候，把很多3级的蜘蛛巢放在一个地方刷怪兽肉，阿比盖尔打不过。 与此同时，如果没有温蒂的干预，阿比盖尔仍然发现很难与多个高脚鸟战斗。 总体感觉是阿比盖尔在高强度的战斗中生存有问题，我希望能像鱼人一样给阿比盖尔减伤，比如 80% 或 60% 的减伤加上额外的生命值 Boss 仇恨经常变化，使游戏变得更加困难 You can't make Abi do everything, the level 3 spider will interrupt Abi's invincibility frame, you have to attack with her, you can ride a beefalo 你不能让阿比做所有事情，三级蜘蛛会打断阿比的无敌帧，你必须和她一起攻击，可以骑beefalo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162056-%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82wendy%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E4%B9%A6%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%80%E4%BA%9B%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1771274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyammmoo Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 15 minutes ago, Lee lol said: You can't make Abi do everything, the level 3 spider will interrupt Abi's invincibility frame, you have to attack with her, you can ride a beefalo 你不能让阿比做所有事情，三级蜘蛛会打断阿比的无敌帧，你必须和她一起攻击，可以骑beefalo Actually, I'm not a fan of training Beefalo, and I think the perfect skill tree would be to free Wendy from Beefalo 实际上，我并不喜欢训练Beefalo，我认为最完美的技能树应该是将Wendy从Beefalo中解放出来 Without Beefalo, Wendy would be swamped by spiders 没有Beefalo保护，温蒂会被蜘蛛淹没 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162056-%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82wendy%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD%E4%B9%A6%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%80%E4%BA%9B%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1771293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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