Please change the designer of Wendy's skill tree, or postpone updating it

[Lee Sy]

Why could Wortox and Walter's skill tree be so creative? Why does not Wendy deserve it? Why does Wendy become so ugly in the new poster?

If no developer know how to satisfy players, please put it off, don't destroy Wendy.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

How many players' hearts have been hurt by this skill tree?

Is this what Klei wants to see?

[Sacco]

no?

First of all tell what's wrong and how to fix it.

He skill tree is very creative imo, there are a lot of new features about her.

It's not op, but it's very cool and makes wendy more enjoiable.

Don't cry and nothing else, if you really want cry but please give constructive criticism.

I don't understand why her skill tree should destroy her, it might not be executed in a good way for you but why does it destroy wendy?

Just now, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

How many players' hearts have been hurt by this skill tree?

Is this what Klei wants to see?

give contrictive criticism.

Why did it break your heart? Because wendy didn't become a new wolfgang?

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

1分钟前，Sacco说：

不？

首先，说出问题所在以及如何解决。

在我看来，他的技能树非常有创意，她有很多新特点。

这不是op，但它非常酷，让wendy更令人高兴。

不要哭，别哭，如果你真的想哭，但请给予建设性的批评。

我不明白为什么她的技能树要摧毁她，它可能不会以对你有好处的方式执行，但为什么它会摧毁温迪？

给予严厉的批评。

为什么它伤了你的心？因为wendy没有成为一个新的狼帮？

You asked me why?

I believe you have seen how many suggestions we have made in the forum.

It didn't solve any of Wendy's pain points, and there was no interesting mechanism. (To be honest, the wortox skill tree is much better than Wendy's) Why have our suggestions been ignored? Why????

And you have been unfriendly to my speech in the forum.

[YuRinshue]

10 minutes ago, Sacco said:

no?

First of all tell what's wrong and how to fix it.

He skill tree is very creative imo, there are a lot of new features about her.

It's not op, but it's very cool and makes wendy more enjoiable.

Don't cry and nothing else, if you really want cry but please give constructive criticism.

I don't understand why her skill tree should destroy her, it might not be executed in a good way for you but why does it destroy wendy?

give contrictive criticism.

Why did it break your heart? Because wendy didn't become a new wolfgang?

Since Wendy's skill tree appeared on the test server for so long, there have been countless suggested posts, and even players have spontaneously created more satisfying skill trees on the creative workshop interface. It seems like you can't see the slightest effort from so many people who love this game, biting the painful wounds of every lover like an aggressive fly.
If you can't see, go treat your own eyes. Instead of using your own keyboard to easily ask others to spend their passion repeatedly mentioning their opinions to someone like you who has hurt their eyes, okay?

[Yifei_]

Simply expressing dissatisfaction without providing constructive suggestions does not help improve Wendy's skill tree. Even though I also believe Wendy's skill tree needs improvement, I still think you could offer better feedback: clearly explain where the improvements are needed. Direct attacks on the designers are an irrational approach.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

Our suggestions are useless. It's still not good after so long. Isn't it the designer's problem?

[Lee Sy]

9 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

Simply expressing dissatisfaction without providing constructive suggestions does not help improve Wendy's skill tree. Even though I also believe Wendy's skill tree needs improvement, I still think you could offer better feedback: clearly explain where the improvements are needed. Direct attacks on the designers are an irrational approach.

So Jason will do it at next beta? I don't think he has the ability to fix it, it has been the 3rd version. He seems to be confused when designing Wendy's skill tree, he doesn't know what Wendy needs and what Wendy is good at. So my constructive and efficient suggestion is changing the designer, I hope the other two could design Wendy's skill tree. We can't make this person who only say" turn it off" destroy Wendy. 

What's more, I am just a player, I can express my opinion freely, and no need to become a developer, that's not my job.

[WenericMember]

38 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

Since Wendy's skill tree appeared on the test server for so long, there have been countless suggested posts, and even players have spontaneously created more satisfying skill trees on the creative workshop interface. It seems like you can't see the slightest effort from so many people who love this game, biting the painful wounds of every lover like an aggressive fly.
If you can't see, go treat your own eyes. Instead of using your own keyboard to easily ask others to spend their passion repeatedly mentioning their opinions to someone like you who has hurt their eyes, okay?

The suggestions that were imlemented?

Potion casket, super potions, level 2 potions, level 4 potions, mourning glory 2 and 3, team spirit iv, shadow sisterhood 2 & 3 were all directly based on suggestions from the forum.

You're also burying your head in the sand to ignore the things they did listen to as to build the narrative the devs are engaging in bad faith.

[katarinagray03]

I really agree with this. I rather have old Wendy back than her skills. It's not the same as other Skill Trees.

[cyjs]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

The suggestions that were imlemented?

Potion casket, super potions, level 2 potions, level 4 potions, mourning glory 2 and 3, team spirit iv, shadow sisterhood 2 & 3 were all directly based on suggestions from the forum.

You're also burying your head in the sand to ignore the things they did listen to.

Rebuilding on a barren design, everything seems futile, and it was suggested to redo Wendy's skill tree from the beginning

[Jakepeng99]

I like Wendy's skilltree alot of these are blind complaints.

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, cyjs said:

Rebuilding on a barren design, everything seems futile, and it was suggested to redo Wendy's skill tree from the beginning

Yeah, funnily enough "throw it all away and start again" isn't constructive. Starting from scratch is so far beyond the scope of a beta it isnt funny. 

 

Besides, something that drastic needs a vast majority of support, which the concept just doesnt have

[cyjs]

4 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Yeah, funnily enough "throw it all away and start again" isn't constructive. Starting from scratch is so far beyond the scope of a beta it isnt funny. 

 

It's the creator's job to get it done. I express my truest thoughts. This is a feedback platform and there is no distinction between constructive comments and complaints.I'm not obligated to always give constructive opinions, besides, I've already said a lot

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

It's the creator's job to get it done. I express my truest thoughts. This is a feedback platform and there is no distinction between constructive comments and complaints.I'm not obligated to always give constructive opinions, besides, I've already said a lot

Ok... how does that have anything to do with Klei listening to feedback or not.

[cyjs]

Just now, WenericMember said:

Ok... how does that have anything to do with Klei listening to feedback or not.

Maybe you didn't understand what I said, my idea, my constructive opinion is to redo Wendy's skill tree

[WANZUN]

既然得不到大部分人的满意，为什么不推迟更新呢？和下次wigfrid女武神做一些重做。

Since it is not satisfactory to most people, why not postpone the update? And next time wigfrid, do some rework.

[WenericMember]

Just now, cyjs said:

Maybe you didn't understand what I said, my idea, my constructive opinion is to redo Wendy's skill tree

Yes. Thats completely irrelevant to my original post. Klei has been listening to feedback, and just because one idea that doesnt have a majority support, that would require months of additional work and upset a great number of people wasnt implemented, doesnt mean Klei is ignoring people.

[YuRinshue]

28 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

The suggestions that were imlemented?

Potion casket, super potions, level 2 potions, level 4 potions, mourning glory 2 and 3, team spirit iv, shadow sisterhood 2 & 3 were all directly based on suggestions from the forum.

You're also burying your head in the sand to ignore the things they did listen to as to build the narrative the devs are engaging in bad faith.

What are you expressing? From the beginning, it was proposed to change the potion to be compatible with two types, but the result was only that the new potion could be compatible with two types. Do you think this is a change that the design team has learned from?
The skill tree has been changed over and over again, but each time only minor issues have been changed to other minor issues, without addressing the main issues? On this basis, do you still want to prove to me that they have listened to a lot of opinions? Or do you want to tell me that absorbing opinions that cannot be improved is also absorbing, right?

Many players suggest changing the damage of Moon Abigail to a combination of Planar Damage and regular damage to weaken the excessively high values, while also providing adaptability to crevice environments. What did designer Jason do? Directly cut off half of the attack power, cancel the invincibility of Moon Abigail's attack, and even add a "daze time" after the attack to Moon Abigail that was not written in the log. The good parts were removed together, and more bad parts were added.
Do you think this can be considered as seriously absorbing opinions? Who is making an ostrich? I? Or you?

You can go and see the skill trees of Votox, Woody, Willow, and Wormwood. Do you think almost every content has a desire to use them? Is the vast majority of the content interesting to people?
Now come back to Wendy's skill tree, can you tell me how much content can make you feel the designer's dedication?
If it weren't for making the game better and more fun, who would want to come to the forum every day to complain and lower the perception of others?
If your insistence on listening to opinions at this level is commendable, then you are far more in line with the person who buries their head in the sand than I am.

[WANZUN]

4分钟前，阿鲁巴说:

沃托克斯怎么更好？哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

如果任何角色得到一粒米，而温迪得到一整只火鸡，你仍然会说温迪得到的少

我怀疑你在说这种蠢话之前有没有试着检查一下到底发生了什么。甚至配置的数量也没有可比性,他也没有得到这样不平衡的东西Ofc，你们都想要更多的额外津贴,因为如果你仍然需要按按钮,成为最好的之一是不够的

大多数人=！一群吵吵闹闹的临时工，他们想要更强大的东西

这是klei论坛，你不知道在中国已经多少玩家反对了，只不过他们和我一样，不会使用英语。

This is the klei forum, you don't know how many players have objected in China, but they, like me, can't use English.

[mima_]

idk, i think the tune down make it pretty solid now.
i mean with the invincibility and that much hp burst make abigail as killing machine 
i cant help but giggles when one video showcasing abigail rampaging all kind of bosses have comments like this 
                                   "at this point wendy is abigail's chester"
cus basically u can win the fight by idling around and let ur sister fly around and kill the boss herself

abigail should have being a companion not a killing machine. 

[cyjs]

Just now, mima_ said:

idk, i think the tune down make it pretty solid now.
i mean with the invincibility and that much hp burst make abigail as killing machine 
i cant help but giggles when one video showcasing abigail rampaging all kind of bosses have comments like this 
                                   "at this point wendy is abigail's chester"
cus basically u can win the fight by idling around and let ur sister fly around and kill the boss herself

abigail should have being a companion not a killing machine. 

That should make it as much fun as the Imp instead of pointless filler

[YuRinshue]

5 minutes ago, mima_ said:

idk，我认为调低让它现在非常扎实。
我的意思是，凭借无敌和如此多的 HP 爆发使阿比盖尔成为杀人机器
，当一个展示阿比盖尔横冲直撞的各种 Boss 的视频有这样的
评论时，我忍不住咯咯地笑了起来：“在这一点上，温蒂是阿比盖尔的切斯特”
，因为基本上你可以通过闲逛来赢得战斗，让你的姐姐飞来飞去，自己

杀死 Boss，阿比盖尔应该是一个伙伴，而不是一个杀人机器。

However, Jason did not use the skill tree to turn Abigail into a good companion, nor did he have the power to protect Wendy. On this basis, I don't even have the strength to laugh, I just feel sad.

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

What are you expressing? From the beginning, it was proposed to change the potion to be compatible with two types, but the result was only that the new potion could be compatible with two types. Do you think this is a change that the design team has learned from?
The skill tree has been changed over and over again, but each time only minor issues have been changed to other minor issues, without addressing the main issues? On this basis, do you still want to prove to me that they have listened to a lot of opinions? Or do you want to tell me that absorbing opinions that cannot be improved is also absorbing, right?

Many players suggest changing the damage of Moon Abigail to a combination of Planar Damage and regular damage to weaken the excessively high values, while also providing adaptability to crevice environments. What did designer Jason do? Directly cut off half of the attack power, cancel the invincibility of Moon Abigail's attack, and even add a "daze time" after the attack to Moon Abigail that was not written in the log. The good parts were removed together, and more bad parts were added.
Do you think this can be considered as seriously absorbing opinions? Who is making an ostrich? I? Or you?

You can go and see the skill trees of Votox, Woody, Willow, and Wormwood. Do you think almost every content has a desire to use them? Is the vast majority of the content interesting to people?
Now come back to Wendy's skill tree, can you tell me how much content can make you feel the designer's dedication?
If it weren't for making the game better and more fun, who would want to come to the forum every day to complain and lower the perception of others?
If your insistence on listening to opinions at this level is commendable, then you are far more in line with the person who buries their head in the sand than I am.

Just because they arent making the exact changes you want to see, doesnt mean they arent making changes. 

I love team spirit offering a way to allow abigail engage with the game that feels more in line with a player, rather than a follower. I love how cute and quirky vengeful ghost is as a skill design, and I love thebsyneegies between skills- deep draught & garland, gravestones and pipspook, mg 1 and ss 3. I love the new potion which smooths out the learning curve by allowimg Abby to reenter a fight in a timely manner. I love the proposed choice between shadows damage and lunars survivability. I love the gravestones being something Wendy can interact with. 

They fixed wendys versatility with haunt and mg. They fixed ss2/3 being obsolete by giving them a new identity. They turned potions from a non branch to one of the most exciting.

Its not balanced perfectly, or fully fleshed out yet, but I will forever refute the notion the devs dont care.