Suggestions for Sisturn ||, and the sisturn in general

[Debruh]

(Not exactly a game developer here but I'll try. Also Klei, I love you so nuch for making that what's written stays there even if you accidentally get out of chrome)

Klei stated that they wanted Mourning glory to have more uses, so its section is a bit long here. I also remember them stating that they want skill trees to be of benefit post and pre rifts, which I agree with. Inspired by YXukun's suggestions (I'll link the post).

Now, Klei is creative enough so that if they wanted to implement ideas from this, but don't want to make it so that there is only one sisturn per Wendy and each Sisturn only benefits its respective Wendy, they can find ways to implement this in another way. Like perhaps instead having Abby attune to a Sisturn, with conditions. I'll try to offer suggestions at the bottom.

I think that the Sisturn || skill should be moved to either be a flavor skill like the vengful spirit skill, or it could be added to the grave skills, and instead of just lowering sanity drain of other players, it also removes the sanity drains from ghosts, and makes ghosts neutral to other players, friendly creatures, and maybe tamed as well as bonded Beefalo too?

As many people mentioned, being able to put other flower-like stuff in the sisturn would be nice, so I'm gonna be suggesting ideas to revamp the Sisturn line, while still keeping a focus on slowing spoilage time, and increasing Abby's health. I would also like to keep the idea of the effect the sisturn gives depending on something inside it that spoils and needs to be replaced, to also make Sisturn | useful. I am also going to explain why I chose the items I chose.

1) Mourning glory. Here are muliple suggestions. First, you don't put it in the Sisturn, but you apply it to the Sisturn, making whatever is put inside not spoil or spoil much slower, if the sisturn is destroyed in anyway the mourning glory is gone. This could stay as Sisturn || (as a direct upgrade to Sisturn |) or be moved down it for balance purposes. Second, you could either put it in the Sisturn directly for a special effect (discussed later), Not rotting could be a special trait of mourning glory. Or instead it could be a craft where you combine normal flower(s) and one or multiple mourning glory, just gonna call this craft a filler name, essence. Then put that into the Sisturn, in order to keep the rot function also to balance whatever the

As for effects. First, instead of Sisturn |||&|||| Abby getting health from resting at Sisturn, each mourning glory or essence giving X HP (since currently the the extra hp is 600, then X is 150). If the bonus HP is depleted, then the mourning glory/essence is consumed. The HP could also work instead as an extra life, instead of being consumed at the before Abby's base HP, it's consumed After. Aka, after Abby's base HP falls to Zero, she stays in combat, with health of X, repeat until all mourning glory/essence is consumed (not my idea, but I can't find the post that suggested this for the life of me)

Second, instead of either the elixir line skill of the insta lvl 3 Elixir, or the double potion craft, when the Sisturn is filled with glory/essence, you can apply two normal elixirs at once. If even one is consumed/rots, the elixir that was applied first disappears.

>Most of this ideas aren't strictly against each other. So, it's possible to have the Mourning glory prevents rot when applied to a Sisturn in Sisturn ||. Have Sisturn ||| make mourning glory be the way to provide extra health. And either add essence to Sisturn ||| or Sisturn |||| and have it give more health (perhaps X for mourning glory is 75, while fot essence it's 150). Have one of the elixir skill make the elixir idea. Preferably, make the elixir one introduce essence. It rotting (maybe even faster than other stuff) would be the downside to using it, maybe even make it not provide health like mourning glory.

2) Change in Shadow Sisterhood |: Instead of just a planar defense, this allows you to put dark petals in the Sisturn, giving Abby bonus damage. A lot of people have suggested to lower Shadow Abby's damage and increase the time, so this could work with that. Potential second effect: increasing time Creatured can live in Wendy's inventory, either always or when dark petals are inserted. Similar to Sisturn |.

Second thing of this skill, Wendy can decorate the Sisturn with Y dark tatters, making it look as if the Sisturn itself is wearing a mourning gown. Providing planar damage (I think the cursed vexation elixir lacks this as opposed to the lunar one, I'm not sure though). When dark petals are added to this Sisturn, then either vex damage is increases, or even better when Abby attacks, rose thorns/vines can spawn and attack the enemy. Like thul club, Walter's new ammo, and Wormwood's brightshade vines, but they deal less damage and apply the vex effect. This could also be made so that it happens when Wendy attacks.

>I think dark tatters work best out of the shadow stuff cause they're the only ones locked behind the rifts, and cause as mentioned the mourning gown thing (except red ig). As for the vine thing, Wendy&Abby are Maxwell's nieces, and Charlie seems to sympathize with them, as she also has a sister. So them being shadow aligned is a pretty big deal. They also have an obvious connection to flower. All this to say, I think it works kinda as Charlie (and perhaps Maxwell) giving the twins a shadow side version of Wormwood's thing, the lunar side stole it from the shadow tentacles of ancient guardian so the shadow side stole it back (this doesn't make any sense, does it?)

3) Change in lunar Sisterhood |: Instead of evil flowers, lune tree blossom. And instead of dark tatters, brightshade husks, that make the Sisturn look like a flower itself. The effects should probably focus on survivability, instead of damage.

An idea for effect, (idk which effect whether it be putting lune tree blossom, decorating with Y amount of brightshade husks, or combining both) is that it gives gestalt Abby, the ability to function like a sleep dart. Perhaps it could take more hits to put stuff to sleep, but it works as an aoe, giving special crowd control abilities. Or it's single target and takes as many hits as a sleep dart, since gestalt Abby is boss focused.

>I think brightshade husks work best, cause like dark tatters, they are post rift only, meanwhile pure brilliance can be obtained through Wilson. And cause they're connected to plants, brightshades themselves look like flowers, roses even, like a closed on when their shield is up, and a bloomed one when it's down. They even attack wirh vines and thorns.

4) Miscellaneous: Stuff like cactus flower could perhaps give slight armor reduction. Maybe forget me lots make Abby not lose her level (but get consumed perhaps?) [Note: I dont think anything aside than normal flowers should be used to make essence cause it would make it annoying, not difficult, annoying to obtain.]. Maybe even butterflies and lunar moths could work, since they're technically a form of flowers. Maybe they're the ones that provide health? Maybe the health thing gets to be the lunar side's thing, or lunar side gets even more health? Idk.

Last thing: As for the multiplayer aspect: Perhaps each Sisturn is just connected to a Wendy, or each skill adds a prefix to the Sisturn [Shadowy, lunar, smth for mourning glory and essence ig] in the crafting menu, and Wendys have to attune Abby to a Sisturn, but can only do so to a Sisturn whose prefixes match theirs or are belong to their (Wendy that can craft Shadowy+mourning glory can attune to just a shadowy one or just a mourning glory one). Obviously there are problems with thid part, and with the whole post. But as I said, not really a game developer but thought I should try suggesting a few things.

YXukun's post

Obviously, Klei isn't gonna throw away weeks of hardwork to implement this but wanted to suggest anyways (I'm procrastinating).

[Peasant]

I think it's too long that few would read through it.

All in all, it's a more completed idea than mine.

[Debruh]

31 minutes ago, YXukun said:

I think it's too long that few would read through it.

All in all, it's a more completed idea than mine.

Yea, I should probably summarize it.. like later though 

[1007954611]

Replace 'blessed turns bonus hp' with 'flowers into the Sisturn'

[MarcoReverie]

I have already shared these ideas. I hope you like them.

The Blessed Sisturn I (BS1) skill is logical for me, but in the BS2 I feel there is something missing. An extension could be when the sisturn is full, Abigail's light radius gets improved and will go back to its normal light radius when petals get rot or the sisturn is empty. 

I also think there should be more mechanicals for using the overproduction (maybe I'm wrong) of mourning glories. In addition to BS3 & BS4 skills (or just in BS4), a good complement could be an AoE healing for survivors when Sisturn is full but with petals infused with mourning glories. The healing aura per minute should be according to the level of the Sisturn (3 or 4).