There should be no discussion about Wendy's strength

[pikexiclefable]

Whether Wendy is strong or not is not important at all, what is important is that each character should be interesting enough and smoothly complete the entire game process.

Wendy has strong survival abilities, and even novice players can deal with some powerful non boss creatures. But even experienced players find it difficult to handle powerful boss creatures with Wendy.

That is to say, if you are a Wendy player, you cannot experience the complete game process, which is unreasonable.

[HopelessBot]

3 hours ago, pikexiclefable said:

what is important is that each character should be interesting enough and smoothly complete the entire game process.

Discussion and feedback could really help with the balancing and smoothing the whole character's experience and gameplay.

Wendy is a interesting character,what is not interesting is most of her skill tree.

And post cc/fw almost every mob has splash damage that effectively renders wendy as weak as wes in combat.

[Sacco]

nah she can handle a ton of bosses.

She is meant to be weaker against bosses, because abi most of the times die against them, and i don't want that wendy's skill tree will remove this downside from her.

[arubaro]

Nobody is saying she shouldnt have interesting gameplay and skill tree.

Precisely to be interesting we should discuss how strong she is since there are people wanting op buffs because they arent able to kill other mobs than spiders and bees

[Echsrick]

3 hours ago, pikexiclefable said:

That is to say, if you are a Wendy player, you cannot experience the complete game process, which is unreasonable.

no character can, why? because there is allways at least 1 craftable item that is character locked, and even then, wendy CAN defeat fuelweaver and or moon champion

[Catuna_]

3 hours ago, pikexiclefable said:

That is to say, if you are a Wendy player, you cannot experience the complete game process, which is unreasonable.

what? i've beaten every boss with wendy myself, this claim seems rather unfounded

[maroonamanita]

I mean the new flower shroud seems to be a solution for all the bosses that abi can't actually fight in.

[aidankocherhans]

In other words, every character should be strong enough to complete the game smoothly, and Wendy might not be strong enough against bosses for that

[Cdijk16]

4 hours ago, pikexiclefable said:

Whether Wendy is strong or not is not important at all, what is important is that each character should be interesting enough and smoothly complete the entire game process.

Wendy has strong survival abilities, and even novice players can deal with some powerful non boss creatures. But even experienced players find it difficult to handle powerful boss creatures with Wendy.

That is to say, if you are a Wendy player, you cannot experience the complete game process, which is unreasonable.

This is not true, Wendy has favourable matchups against a good portion of bosses thanks to her higher damage when hitting same target as Abigail and Abigail's own AOE damage output. This is especially true if you use an Ornery Beefalo, which would give you an effective ~1.5x damage multiplier after accounting for Abigail's debuff.

Examples of bosses where Wendy performs well(substantially better than Wilson and nearly as good as Wigfrid in terms of damage) are Bee Queen (Abigail kills Grumbles very easily so you can focus on Bee Queen, this is one of Wendy's best matchups), Dragonfly(higher damage helps KO it more quickly and thus taking fewer resources, can easily use Pan Flute to prevent it from using its AOE attack), Toadstool(can keep Abi alive by dodging earlier than usual) and Celestial Champion phases 1 and 2(if using the Vigor Mortis potion on Abi, you can keep her alive by dodging certain attacks earlier than usual). 

It is true that in many of the above situations it's not a cake walk to keep Abigail alive and you have to put in effort and resources in order to do so, but I think that the difficulty of keeping Abigail alive adds a layer of strategy to fighting raid bosses as her and makes her a more interesting character to play as.

Example video of Wendy doing well against the above mentioned raid bosses: How to be an S+ Tier Wendy

 

[GimplyGoose]

I'm not going to agree with you on your assessment of Wendy, since when you pick Wendy you are picking a character with strengths and a weakness. The current state of Wendy is that she is a low skill floor, high skill ceiling character and I don't think she should be changed to a low skill floor, low skill ceiling character.

What specific adjustments would you recommend? I don't see any suggestions in this post, only a general complaint. How would you adjust her skill tree, if you could?

[grm9]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

Nobody is saying she shouldnt have interesting gameplay and skill tree.

Precisely to be interesting we should discuss how strong she is since there are people wanting op buffs because they arent able to kill other mobs than spiders and bees

strength isn't an objective thing though, how strong a character is for you depends on you and how you play

i'd say that she's worthless because there's nothing that she has that isn't useless and that other characters don't do better for how i play, since i see no benefit from killing a lot of spiders, bees, frogs etc. and other characters can do that too either way

[arubaro]

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

strength isn't an objective thing though, how strong a character is for you depends on you and how you play

i'd say that she's worthless because there's nothing that she has that isn't useless and that other characters don't do better for how i play, since i see no benefit from killing a lot of spiders, bees, frogs etc. and other characters can do that too either way

By that simplistic argument we could say that everything is unnecessary except for wes since you can do every piece of content as him

[grm9]

1 minute ago, arubaro said:

By that simplistic argument we could say that everything is unnecessary except for wes since you can do every piece of content as him

missed my point entirely, read again