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  1. Based on a song: "I Hope you Die in a Fire" by Grand Commander.
  2. Hello! You know why I'm here, and I know why you're here so let's get down to examining WX-78's lore. So in order to contextualise the short better, we should first look at the Compendium entry since that provides us with a general timeline on what happened. WX-78's Compendium Entry As we can see, the text in it has been manipulated, or isn't found. We can discern that the perfectly coherent ones at the least are from WX's manipulation of the info (RESOUNDING SUCCESS, and A SHORT-SIGHTED FOOL, AFRAID OF PROGRESS). Given the need they had to insert that, we can infer that the experiment regarding WX was likely a failure, and that Wagstaff, seeing the risks, put a stop to further testing. The binary at the end translates to 'TOO LATE TOO LATE TOO LATE', which we'll see the context for as we analyse the short. Now with regards to the short: The first noteworthy things are 1. The initial perspective of these memories are from a human. We see them alongside Robert Wagstaff experimenting on small animals, with a rat being implanted with cybernetics and being extremely irritable or erratic. The human notes this and theorises the organic components are to blame for the behaviour, rather than the cybernetics themselves. It's important to note that as it shows the mentality this person is going into these experiments with. Rather than the surgically implanted cybernetics on the mouse being the cause of erratic behaviour, their theory is the organic parts are to blame for it. Next we see the human looking at blueprints for WX-78, putting on something onto their head and next thing you know, our perspective changes to WX-78, with Wagstaff seeming surprised on the results of the experiment. Something important to note is it LOOKS like their empathy module isn't damaged unlike earlier in the short while Winona is repairing it. It could potentially be an oversight, it could be that it was damaged during the scuffle in the short, or it could be that it was tampered with before the events of the short but after these memories we see. It's important to note that Klei states the empathy module working is what causes the memories to re-emerge in WX and they would have preferred them buried, so it's possible at some point WX deactivated their empathy module as they saw it as a needless organic component to themselves. It's at this point things get a bit messy and we need to take a much closer look at what's going on. We see Wagstaff and WX working on something, which given the design of, we can infer is the portal to the Constant that Wagstaff eventually goes into in Winona's short (shoutouts to Mocha the Hyper on the Dont Starve discord for pointing this out). We see WX looking at their hands while they flash from their now robotic appearance to their formerly organic selves, followed by Wagstaff seeming concerned about WX. It's at this point I think is when Wagstaff sees the risks of the experiment and discontinues it, as WX seems to be somewhat unaware of their nature as an organic or their mind is having trouble being compatible with an inorganic body, perhaps. If this is the point in the Compendium where it's discontinued, then we can infer that next would be that WX, trying to perfect their work, works in secret on themselves until Wagstaff finds out. We see WX destroying notes on themselves and throwing them away, proceeded by Wagstaff confronting them in a room full of other WX-78 models. Based on the Compendium, it would seem that WX was created more models of themselves to try and perfect their model and upon seeing that Wagstaff would find out, attempted to destroy the evidence. Wagstaff confronts them with disapproval and WX throws a machine part at them, possibly in anger, to which Wagstaff returns a displeased expression Lastly in these memories, we see Wagstaff burning the WX-78 models, which likely tie into WX's campfire/firepit line of "IT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING", showing that again, these memories were buried at some point. Then after seeing WX's reflection flicker between them and their former human appearance, we see Wagstaff looking at them with the same discontent expression as before, this time as WX is being pulled into the Constant. Due to Wagstaff's expression, WX's secret work on themselves and their lashing out at Wagstaff, it could be inferred that the argument ending with Wagstaff pushing WX into the portal in anger as they were deemed dangerous due to how their mannerisms had become. Whether their mannerisms changed due to the empathy module being inert due to WX's interference to try and perfect themselves, or the empathy module was deactivated once they came into the constant so as to forget these memories however, who can say. What matters is who WX once was was no longer who they are now, and that they displayed erratic behaviours themselves, even without organic components. It's at this point WX in the present day rips out their empathy module and destroys it, burying the memories once more and forever more, with the events to them being that Wagstaff couldn't see the potential they had and that they, WX, were in the right the entire time. That about wraps up the analysis and my interpretation of events, I hope you all enjoy the read! Tune in next time when Wickerbottom gets revealed to be 5 cats in a trench coat. EDIT: @-Variant brought one last thing to my attention that WX's voice files are referred to as 'Woodrow' rather than WX, possibly being the engineer/scientist's original name. Now these voice files are ANCIENT and who WX was back then may not be who they are now, so keep in mind this could have been an oversight by Klei. Note: who they once were doesn't mean it's who they are now. So please don't use this as an excuse to refer to WX as he/him. If you do that under the pretense they wouldn't care, you gotta admit referring to WX as such because of who they were as an organic would bother em.
  3. Hello again forum. I recently see some posts discussing about the protagonists of this game so i just wanted so say something about it. First allow me to explain to you whats a protagonist and this is not gonna be my opinion, this is goning to be a fact, a concept. A protagonist is the main character of a story. Yeah i know its really simple, and thats the magic, a protagonist doesnt really have to carry the story or even do something important, he only need to be the focus on a story, we can see his perspective of an story but he doesnt have to do all the important things, he can only do important things from his perspective. I know its a hard thing to understand but bear with me for a little. What i mean is that the protagonist of a story is the person that the autor wants to be the protagonist, it doesnt matter if the protagonist is good, bad, idiot, or even useless, the thing is a protagonist is defined as that by his autor. Why i made this? well cause some people on forum have shown me that the hate towards a protagonist can be stronger that the coherence. Yeah of course im talking about Winona, im not gonna try to discover why people dont like this character, i dont really care, but the true is that she is the protagonist of this story and im gonna explain you why. In the first game Dont starve RoG she didnt exist, and why? Well cause the story was about Wilson and Maxwell, the main plot was Wilson trying to get out of the constant and Maxwell trying to prevent that from happening, in other words, it was a fight between two characters, now i know the story is more deeper than that but the true is that the main thing is just that. In the second game oh god, here he have the real complex story. Here klei wanted to spicy up the thing and they added Charlie(yeah ik she was in the first game as well but not with a main rol) as the new antagonist, and they made Maxwell and Wilson the new protagonists but they werent enough for klei so they added another one, yeah im talking about Winona. Now the reason why she has a leading rol is very simple, its cause klei, they wanted to tell a different story, and not just a simple fight between two characters, but how can they make this? I mean Maxwell and Wilson have shown that they only wanna get out of that place, using magic(maxwell) and scince(wilson) and even trying to go through strange portals so with only those two the story can only focus on them trying to leave the constant, beaing a copy of the RoG. Now Klei is really good at their job but when i played this game the first time i wasnt expecting an interesting story, i just wanted to have fun in a survival game and then boom! they bring Winona. But why Winona is important you could say, well let me explain it. She is the big sister of Charlie the antagonist, not only that but she has been looking for her little sister for so long, it wasnt a coincidence that she ended up working at Voxola Factory, she tracked her sister so well that she ended up finding her... Now this new story is not just a simple fight to get out of the place, this new arc is about discover what is happening in that place, and Winona is not gonna leave without her sister, so she have to discover a way to help her, in other words this is not a fight to get out, this is an adventure to discover how the place works and how Nona can help her little sister, how Charlie ended like that, what Nona can do to help her sister and the others. And this is something only Winona can do, why? its simple, cause Wilson and Maxwell doesnt really have a strong bond with charlie, remeber that this new arc is not as simple as get out of that place, Charlie unlike Maxy doesnt become prisioner of the shadow throne, she in fact become a real villian, now in order to have a chance against charlie they need a person with a strong bond to her, why? another simple thing, cause Charlie have an insane power in that dimension, unlike maxy that was restricted, she can do what she want in here, the survivors doesnt stand a chance(at least the human ones :P), but theres hope, Charlie doesnt lose all his mind when she absrobed the power of the throne, so she is mentaly unstable, and the only possible way to win and even bring charlie back is with the memory of her past, sure maxy can try to do something here but here's the thing, he as her previous boss and the person who make her lose herself in that horrible place is only gonna make her more angry so as you can see maxy can't do this job. This is the reason why Nona is important and why she is a protagonist, and yeah ik a lot of people are gonna argue that "she hasnt do anything important in the story yet" so Maxy and Wilson, at least in this new arc they has made as much as Nona, sure they were important in RoG but this is not RoG, as you can see the protagonists of Together havent done anyhing important yet, thats not their fault, the author of this story Klei is making the story really slow and thats not bad, in my opinion this is something good and unique. Like i wrote before Nona is a protagonist cause klei just wanted her in that role, it doesnt matter if some people dont like her or if she is a bad or useless protagonist, she is still what the author wanted her to be, a protagonist and thats the reality. Now lets talk a little about Wagstaff. and im doing this cause i read something really funny about him. First i have to say that he is not a protagonist nor deuteragonist like some people think he is and to make this all more easy to understand im gonna explain what is a deuteragonist. A deuteragonist is another way to say secondary main character, its simple as that. That bein said i do think he is an important character but the true is he more like a resource to make the story more mysterious, we still dont know what is his plot, we don't know what is he doing, its a mystery and this is really dangerous in any work of fiction but i not gonna analyze this at all. Like i wrote before even if he is not a protagonist or a deuteragonist he still can do really important things to this game, he can even carry the story to some insane levels but a character that we dont see often in klei animation nor is seen often in the main story lore cause he is doing myterious things is obviously not a protagonist nor a deuteragonist. Now im about to make a comparative so prepare yourself XD Van Hoheinheim from FMA is a perfect example of this kind of characters, he was not a protagonist nor deuteragonist but he was really important to the main story, the man carry all the story and he was the person who resolved the final conflic, he was really impotant and without him the protagonists would have lost so as you can see you can make a story from a lot of perspectives, but the perspective of the protagonist is the one we see the most thats all, Thank you so much for read all that if you did it.
  4. Ever since the WX-78 beta dropped, I was hoping for some special interaction between WX and Wagstaff, but there wasn't any. I think Wagstaff could've given WX a special upgrade module after Helping him out in the moonstorm. This upgrade module could be eaten and give WX 1-2 more fuse slots, and maybe a slightly faster recharge time. Any upgrade/item would be nice to have as a late game reward, afterall Wagstaff is a major character in the lore and he created WX-78.
  5. I was thinking about if Wagstaff should have some sort of special interactions and dialogues with WX-78 during the moon storm. Like, being shocked he sees them there, and leaving a little moon/fuse box slots upgrade behind afterwards, as a nice little gift for his creation. I don't think he should just not care about his abandoned experiment being in the Constant. He may even know that they are there, and that's why he doesn't react, but if WX-78 was a cancelled experiment, then I don't think that Wagstaff would care to check his location. That's why I think he doesn't know. A fuse box upgrade/moon circuit from him would be fitting too, as he is researching the moon powers and he created WX.
  6. Up until a few months ago, the DS lore was a very simple timeline that went something like this: -Prequel stuff happens -Max and Charlie sucked in -Stuff happens -Non-Wilson characters are sucked in -Voxila fire -Wilson is sucked in -Adventure mode -Charlie boots Wilson off the throne -Wilson and Max team up, DST starts -Winona enters sometime after everyone else -Ancient gateway is discovered, events start. And now the DS timeline looks like this: -Prequel stuff happens -Max and Charlie sucked in -Stuff happens -Non-Wilson characters are sucked in -Voxila fire, Winona and Wagstaff are sucked in. The most confusing thing is that queen Charlie appears, even though Maxwell is on the throne at this point? -Wilson is sucked in -Adventure mode -Charlie boots Wilson off the throne. -Wilson and Max team up, DST starts -Winona enters the constant..........? -Ancient gateway is discovered, events start. -Wortox -Return of Them happens, meaning Wilson and co now have plot amour or are in two places at once. -Wormwood and Warly. Things we don't have a time for: -SW and Hamlet, must occur before ROT. -DS Wagstaff, must occur before he's sucked in. If someone can please explain to me how this works, that would be highly appreciated.
  7. All credits to Sundra for this theory, me for formatting and writing. PART 1: Lets just get the big thing out of the way first. We do not meet Wagstaff in DS. Well, we do. But that's not REALLY Wagstaff. Wagstaff's sitting at home eating scones on his armchair of whatever he does, while he's using the PR-76 (PRojection device) to attune himself to the Constant or wherever you are. He is nothing but a projection, a man half in the world, hence why he still interacts with it. Proof: PART 2: This is when it starts to get confusing. Wagstaff see's WX, and other robotic creations like the Clockworks. This is possible because time in the constant, as quoted by Maxwell: "Makes no ******* sense dude"-real Maxwell quote Wagstaff creates WX-78 (IRL) to form as a means to access the constant in more... efficient means, allowing him to truly interact with the one thing he desires. The nightmare throne, the secret to ultimate power. Oh, but how does he meet WX? The nightmare throne, the secret to ultimate power. Again. When Wagstaff takes the throne from WX, he leaves (the throne appears empty when the player next reaches it), and sets his ULTIMATE PLAN into action. Proof: PART 3: Wagstaff begins work on his very own portal, not dissimilar to Wilson, through which he shall send WX-78. He designs his voxila radio to be tuned to the constant in order to receive instructions from Maxwell, or whoever's in control. He activates it, sends in WX and than meets the night creature. Needless to say, they don't hit it off great and he gets pulled in. For realsies this time. In the ensuing chaos, one of his workers is sucked in and the factory burns down. COMPLETE TIMELINE: Once again, kudos for Sundra for all the work. I just wrote it down and put in funnies.
  8. DO NOTE: for this entire theory I am ASSUMING that Wagstaff is one of the upcoming characters to DS, as this seems likely with the information we have been given. This might however, prove to be incorrect. This is a just a quick theory I thought up that explains like... 3 things, but should be a good base for other theory's. We know from the little description included that Wagstaff, or whoever that is, "mysterious inventor who finds himself exactly where he wanted to be". I hear the Constant is a amazing holiday location. Alright, here's what I make of this. Wagstaff discovered something to do with the Constant. This must be a pretty interesting thing, because he wanted to get it. Bad. So much so, that he abandoned his life and fortune to find it. Through some work of science, magic, or divine interference, he finds himself in the DS multiverse-y thing that's connected through the ancient portal. But not in the constant. So, he travels through all the worlds, being mistaken as a gatekeeper by each one, until he finally finds the constant. Not much, but something.
  9. OML READ THE POST SKRUBLORDS Maxwell's lines change after you save her. He can tell the difference. His Adventure mode lines also change. Charlie, oh charlie. Maxwell escaping the throne had some bad consequences? Charlie is not one of Them Charlie is human. It is not her being that attacks them. It is her mind. They force her. Her being is banished to the tropical islands to rot forever Until... Fid messes up her name, Wilson arrives to save her! Then gets shanked Wilson searches for her, but only one man is rumoured to know of her whereabouts, and locked in a cage for all eternity, the key thrown to a stupid Dodo. Woodlegs. He has a map to her... but when he arrives? A flower was left, a rose (or some crap) The second he grabs it, whimpers are heard in the distance, and an amount of radio static. Wagstaff is trying to comfort Charlie, but fails, and when Woodlegs runs up to her? "STOP!" He is grabbed by shadow hands. He must go through 6 worlds to save his DamselInDistress She's locked in the BDSM Nightmare Throne Wagstaff is constantly tormented by screams from his radio. Why did she have to burn that factory? Why? Charlie is freed, but They are stronger. They want her back And they will do ANYTHING, to get her. TL;DR - READ IT SCRUB Charlie's perks and drawbacks. Nightmare Shadows attack her at night. Well, just one. Mr Skits wants his wife back. Her sanity drains at a double rate of normal at night, but she is used to Maxwellian evil flowers. One way or another, She will find the Magician. (Wagstaff is never seen again, instead disappearing, running away. Cue DST and he's made it through the portal. Through the Ages, he has seen some crap. He was beaten to hell and back. But why did the demon do it? FIND OUT NEXT TIME.) WILSON DIDN'T MAKE THE PORTAL. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RADIO. HE REINVENTED WAGSTAFF'S CREATIONS. *Castawallace lies dying on an island.* One SW Character is auto-unlocked cus why not Dunno where this belongs, but you will love it anyway.