DRAKCORE

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  1. You comparing apples to oranges, and you still not clicking on that you not getting the 100% heat from the original source, the heat transfer from the petroleum to petroleum has feedback. Hence you slowing get more efficient over time and less energy to convert crude to petroleum (besides counterflow mechanics). It is not just the crude exchanging heat with the petroleum through the pipe, the actual petroleum is transferring heat down the line via itself. It is a secondary heat variable. Just think about it, if we went off your thinking, crude has a heat capacity of 1.69 and petroleum of 1.76, which is a 4% difference. I use airflow tiles in a vacuum so no energy is lost. You would have the very pump at the begining where the cool crude use to come in overheating, even if it was steel over time.
  2. Sigh. You are not pumping in 540 C at all times, the very sour gas traveling down the chamber is exchanging heat not just with the crude but also the sour gas along that very same chamber, like a very inefficient temp-shift plate. That sour gas feedbacks to the very start with the source. It has diminishing returns the longer the chamber, based off transfer rates of the gas and the speed which it is moving down the chamber, but you still getting feedback from the existing sour gas. It is not as simple as two elements transferring heat. You have two elements exchanging heat while becoming the same element at the heat source and that element (sour gas) also exchanges heat with the already existing sour gas in that chamber. There is not wastage of the cooling, the methane is piped backwards right up to the crude piping then back into the natural gas chamber where it flashes into natural gas, the chamber also has a few metal tiles to further stabilize the temperatures at the begining cool/heat exchange point.
  3. No way in hell would you be getting that temp at the starting point for the crude. That doesn't even make sense since the crude and sour gas have different heat capacities, you can't just add (540+90) = 630 then divide by 2 to get that 310-320c And I am bleeding off some extra heat, which is the natural gas that is exported at a higher temp and converted into steam through the gens.
  4. Not true, if it was the case then the temperatures would reach 540 C at the starting point for the crude in the far future? You not getting a flat 540 C at the one end(purely magma heat but also feedback heat from the existing sour gas), hence they getting more efficient over time as they reach a equilibrium. Think of like this, that door with the thermo sensor will close if the temp hits below 540, if that crude is flashing directly into sour gas because it got pre-heated from the previous sour gas, that door will remain open, thus cutting off the heating for that time, so not a constant heat source in that equation. There is definitely an equation we can think up to work out the exact temperatures you will get at the starting point for the crude. Something using the chamber length, heat transfers between crude/sour gas, sour gas heat transfer between its self, pressure, quantities used in crude/sour gas and thermals between materials used for pipes, and other items that interact.
  5. You thinking of it only in 1 dimension, it is not just crude vs the sour gas going in opposite directions. The actual sour gas also interacts with all the other sour gas below it and more so above it (which is hotter), tempshift plates will improve this equilibrium if the dimensions of the chamber requires it. Yes the crude will get hotter at the begining but only to a extent depending on how long/wide(pressure buildup) the the chamber is and how much crude you are pumping in. Mine will run a litter hotter since I set the thermo sensor to 540 but being the door closes and opens slowly the temp spikes to the 560s+ and gradually goes down again. You can increase the performance on the heating by lowering the thermal sensor temp till a point where petroleum takes a moment to turn into sour gas. Or make a two stage / door conversion where the crude it turned into petroleum and then sour gas, giving a more efficient and stable system, but more bulky.
  6. You got to remember, you constantly putting energy in on both ends to maintain temps, cold and hot which are self regulated by the thermo sensors, whether it is getting to hot or cold, they will adjust. I won't get hotter or colder unless you don't have capacity to maintain either temps on both ends. Crude coming in will heat faster than the sour gas cooling which is means the door/diamond windows linked to the magma won't be required to heat the temps up to 540 C as much. You get a 12,31% heat capacity gain from crude to sour gas but a loss of -10,75% when going from sour gas to (methane + sulfur). *incorrect conversion. Real world means you save a little magma heat loss of 12,31% when heating crude into sour gas and you need to cool additional 10,75% to convert sour gas to methane + sulfur. *incorrect conversion. Also my natural gas chamber soaks up the additional heat and gets pumped out into the steam room where it is converted into energy.
  7. Try uninstalling again but this time re-install it to another directory, such as oni2, just a character or something added to it. What are the specs of your machine?
  8. You sure about Broths vids, please send that link of the video, I've skimmed over his lists again and can't find anything relating to just regulators being that efficient. There is only tempshift plates in the natural gas / sulfur exchange room and one where heat exchange between magma the crude, beyond that you don't need them. Back pressure or pressure build up, happens naturally and the longer the chamber the more pressure build up at the sour/magma exchange point increases. You won't have to worry about pressure, in any system it will stabilize over time and find a equilibrium with incoming and outgoing mass exchanging heat. The sulfur going down the rails only looses about 15% of its coldness, once it is dumped into petroleum in the natural gas room, all excess 'coldness' is leached out, same goes for the natural gas in that chamber which is a nice stabilizer if the system is stopped or started for long periods. Sulfur accounts for 1/3 of all your cooling. If you had a reversed system to mine you could just leave it in the cooling chamber while in my design it is more preferable to ship it down to the higher temps so it can cool incoming sour gas and get the full heat exchange from -165C to 100c+-. Efficiency is only lost if you sacrificing heat exchange and forcing more energy into brute cooling/heating, which is not the case here. Crude is going in at 90C and natural gas is leaving at 100C and it will stabilize further over time as the counter flows reach a equilibrium.
  9. You can ignore the clocks connected to the batteries in the steam room, used them to force them system to run 30+ cycles. Also a interesting note, the steam was continuously dropping until I increased the aquatuner thermal sensor to turn it on from above 35C to above 96C after which it was sitting around 132C and slightly climbing, so you can regulate the steam temp by the aquatuner thermal sensor cooling the steam turbine and CO2 scrubbers. The water being ejected out the steam room would be used for the oil well, but in this sandbox test, there was no oil well nearby.
  10. @Craigjw Decided to rather just use regulators, managed to get the chamber more efficient using the sulfur to suck up a lot of the heat, plus the current design allows me to remove the regulators and put a aquatuner with super coolant at a latter stage. But post the info anyway.
  11. Can't make propane unfortunately, only in sandbox mode where you can spawn it in. I am currently experimenting with liquid oxygen and methane opposed to the regulator with hydrogen. Going to have to say it is a struggle to stabilize the temp so you don't burst the pipes. Methane has a 21C+2C window and liquid oxygen has 36C+2C window to work with. Methane has a 2.191 heat capacity while liquid oxygen has 1.01, requiring twice as much equipment to cool. Being a aquatuner cools at 14C makes it rather hard, but I'm getting there. As CraigJw stated, the transition from pre space material usage to super coolant, aiming for that design right now. Did further work on the above hybrid version, with the aquatuner and regulators, you only using 2.5k watts, include the pumps, CO2 scrubbers and oil well, push that up to 4k watts in total - the total output of 22 natural gas gens 17600 watts, so 17600-4000=13600 watts of constant output. With the use of super coolant you just saving around 1750 watts+- and if you temporarily use methane prob like 1000 watts.
  12. Liquid oxygen? Its' heat capacity is only 1 making it less efficient than hydrogen with regulators, only viable liquid pre space could be propane which has the same heat capacity of hydrogen of 2.4 but being used with a aquantuner which only uses half the watts making it twice as efficient, though you threading a really fine thread since propane freezes at -188c.
  13. So far with experimenting, managed to get it down to 6 regulators and 1 aquatuner, though it looks like the regulators are barely keeping up and 8 might be required. Aquantuner only runs 15% of the time +-. Steam room is only the regulators + aquantuner, with the steam turbine set to turn on only when temps hit 185c, so PO2 water can be piped through and flashed once ejected. This should be more efficient than trying to heat the entire generator room + saving on a lot of steel. Can still be compacted more, will try again latter in the day once I have some free time.
  14. I watch him as well, he was using aquatuners with super coolant the last few videos if you were thinking about that one. Aquatuners with super coolant is 8 times more efficient and he was using 2, so 16 regulators, but if you do counter flow the methane as you should be doing, temps are lowered below 90c after it counter flows the raw crude to around -70C+-. Actually going to have some fun in sandbox and see how efficient I can get a sour gas boiler pre space tech, while making it as compact as possible.
  15. Maybe if you only pumping 1L of crude a second, I'm pushing 3L/s, even with counter flow, you still going to have sour gas hitting the cooling area at 90C @ 3L density vs 2L of cooling at max -220C, getting it to -165C wouldn't work.