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Tapirus    774

I think the artificial soul of WX-78 is made of "distilled" nightmare fuel actually and not from the creator.

The nightmare fuel is feeding with evilness, crazyness and death, WX-78 was showed to be evil (not enough to be a serial killer, but sometimes enjoys when something REALLY bad happens to others) in the game.

Also, somebody asked for Willow vignette:

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"Willow always regarded being brought to The Constant as a new beginning. It allowed her to leave everything behind, after all."

(Maybe Willow burned the Voxola Industry, but I doubt she had some motives besides "Because things on fire is fun!")

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Mooagain    274

Since the Iron Hulk can kill shadow monsters, what if this is because it is some kind of weapon meant to Them? but the only characters that seem intent on killing Them are Pugna and the rest of the Forge. Maybe if Wagstaff didn't make the Iron Hulk, someone from the Forge did?

Also, I think that WX and the clockwork chess pieces are made of iron. (WX says "Hello friend" and he is made of the same stuff as the clockworks, considering he can upgrade with parts from them)

 

And thanks for the picture of Willow. I can see that there is something in the background right between two big towers of fire, just to the left of Willow. It is black with two prongs, and I doubt its a tree since trees don't have two points. Could be Them?

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ResettePlayer    2,016
44 minutes ago, Tapirus said:

I think the artificial soul of WX-78 is made of "distilled" nightmare fuel actually and not from the creator.

The nightmare fuel is feeding with evilness, crazyness and death, WX-78 was showed to be evil (not enough to be a serial killer, but sometimes enjoys when something REALLY bad happens to others) in the game.

Nightmare fuel is probably involved, but I don't think WX is quite evil enough to have an entire soul made of the stuff. Though they do take a lot of pleasure from killing organics, they seemingly have a little affection for other machines. I certainly agree that nightmare fuel was an important ingredient in WX's creation, but I disagree with the "distilled" part--that implies an intense concentration of evil.

 

43 minutes ago, Bluegeist said:

The only thing I disagree with is the idea that Maxwell knows nothing about mechanical stuff because he is a magician. Automata were in fact a big part of stage magician history, and it's really cool.

This did occur to me some time later, and you're correct. Maxwell probably didn't hinge his entire career on rabbits and shady books.

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Mooagain    274
3 minutes ago, ResettePlayer said:

This did occur to me some time later, and you're correct. Maxwell probably didn't hinge his entire career on rabbits and shady books.

But he did. The codex was the only thing he used, unless you are talking about the time before he found it, but back then he sucked at magic. If he did use automation, he most likely didn't use them properly. The clockwork chess pieces were made by the ancients, Maxwell only fixed them, which even Wolfgang can do. (The broken clockworks in the ruins)

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Tapirus    774
25 minutes ago, ResettePlayer said:

Nightmare fuel is probably involved, but I don't think WX is quite evil enough to have an entire soul made of the stuff. Though they do take a lot of pleasure from killing organics, they seemingly have a little affection for other machines. I certainly agree that nightmare fuel was an important ingredient in WX's creation, but I disagree with the "distilled" part--that implies an intense concentration of evil.

Some WX-78 quotes:

"HAHA, YOU DIED" (Deafult for Ghost)

"AT LEAST THERE'S STILL A BIT OF EVIL IN HIM" (Firestarter Maxwell)

"IS LAYING WASTE TO THE WORLD. HAHA" (Firestarter Wigfrid)

"THE INFERIOR NEEDS A HEART" (WX-78 ghost)

"SUPERNATURAL AID IS NOTHING IN THE FACE OF KILLER ROBOT!" (When murders Wendy)

"OOPS" (Death&Killed Pig)

Extra, but interesting:

"This robot was evil before. Now they're double evil." (Triumphant)

"I AM THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" (Verdant)

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Mr.Mulk    694
4 hours ago, Bluegeist said:

She had to have done some fires and got in big trouble, but not the Voxola fire. Going by Winona's quotes, she seems to suspect Maxwell of doing it. Her quote for a Maxwell firestarter: "Mysterious fires follow you like a plague, (Maxwell)."

This doesn't mean Willow didn't start the fire, it just means Winona saw Maxwell around the time of the fire. Maxwell himself doesn't really seem to have the personality to do the dirty work, it'd make more sense for him to persuade someone else to.

While Willow burning down the factory doesn't have anything more than circumstantial evidence it does make sense from a character development and historically accurate standpoint.

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ResettePlayer    2,016
22 minutes ago, Mooagain said:

But he did. The codex was the only thing he used, unless you are talking about the time before he found it, but back then he sucked at magic. If he did use automation, he most likely didn't use them properly. The clockwork chess pieces were made by the ancients, Maxwell only fixed them, which even Wolfgang can do. (The broken clockworks in the ruins)

Maxwell probably had more than the one pull-rabbit-out-of-hat trick prior to finding the Codex, and it's possible he had some mechanics-based tricks. It can be inferred that Maxwell was not a successful magician because he sucked, but I always imagined (with no good reason, if I'm honest) that Maxwell's magic tricks were extremely uncreative and run-of-the-mill. It was only when he brought something new to the table (the Codex) that his career took off. So Maxwell did not have enough knowledge to build the clockworks from scratch, but his knowledge might have helped him make things like the Door and the Teleportato.

A lot of this is wild conjecture, of course.

12 minutes ago, Tapirus said:

"HAHA, YOU DIED"

Touche.

I suppose it depends on one's interpretation of the character. Some think of WX-78 as more bark than bite, as opposed to a vicious killer robot who would slaughter any organic on sight once they got all their upgrades. Perhaps the improved chances of survival from cooperation is enough for hyper-evil WX to tolerate the other survivors, perhaps they take massive enjoyment from watching the others suffer (even though WX goes through all the same crap). I still hesitate to consider that on the same level as distilled nightmare fuel, but I'm not even sure what that would look like. It seems that I had assumed that something with that much evil could not have any impulse control, which is a bit silly of me.

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Tapirus    774
10 minutes ago, ResettePlayer said:

Touche.

I suppose it depends on one's interpretation of the character. Some think of WX-78 as more bark than bite, as opposed to a vicious killer robot who would slaughter any organic on sight once they got all their upgrades. Perhaps the improved chances of survival from cooperation is enough for hyper-evil WX to tolerate the other survivors, perhaps they take massive enjoyment from watching the others suffer (even though WX goes through all the same crap). I still hesitate to consider that on the same level as distilled nightmare fuel, but I'm not even sure what that would look like. It seems that I had assumed that something with that much evil could not have any impulse control, which is a bit silly of me.

"One might assume WX's callous nature hides a sensitive inner soul. One would assume incorrectly." (Curio Cabinet)

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HaloFTheSun1    55

Maybe Maxwell got willow to start the fire and was present at the burning.  I think the robot is wagstaff, think after he saw Webber change didn't want that for himself and turned himself into a robot and Maxwell turned his mind to a more rebotic, maybe to prove that it doesn't matter what people do to protect themselves they will change regardless.  Just my thought on the theory.

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Mooagain    274
48 minutes ago, HaloFTheSun1 said:

Maybe Maxwell got willow to start the fire and was present at the burning.  I think the robot is wagstaff, think after he saw Webber change didn't want that for himself and turned himself into a robot and Maxwell turned his mind to a more rebotic, maybe to prove that it doesn't matter what people do to protect themselves they will change regardless.  Just my thought on the theory.

I think Wagstaff built WX, and then when the factory was burning, he took WX and Webber and went through the portal.

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Mooagain    274
40 minutes ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

What if Wagstaff is Maxwell?

 

What? Maxwell used Wagstaff to make the radio, but they are different people.

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axxel    514
2 minutes ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

What if Wagstaff is Maxwell?

 

There are actual hints about that either Maxwell was skilled with automatons and Wagstaff had some connections with Maxwell:

- "My beautiful machine is in pieces!" - Maxwell on Wooden thing and has his name written in runes according to the wiki, but it contradicts to Winona's quote on it (uncanon maybe?) - “That gadget has my name on it.”

- He created the Clockwork Pieces.

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Tapirus    774
8 minutes ago, axxel said:

- He created the Clockwork Pieces.

Clockworks existed in the past, Maxwell and the creator of WX-78 just used the remains from the ruins as blueprints to make the current ones.

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Tapirus    774
1 hour ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

What if Wagstaff is Maxwell?

 

Plotwist: Wagstaff disappeared long time ago (probably was consumed by the shadows), and maybe made WX-78 when was alive (and lost) in the Constant.

Meanwhile, Maxwell used his identity to recreate the olf clockworks (and the "odd radios" to get more and new victims) with resources from the factory + money. 

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axxel    514
10 minutes ago, Tapirus said:

Clockworks existed in the past, Maxwell and the creator of WX-78 just used the remains from the ruins as blueprints to make the current ones.

Blueprints? Would explain some things.

23 minutes ago, Zeklo said:

I see a lot of people taking quotes at their face value.

"Has my name on it" is the same as "it's up my alley" or "that's just my kind of thing."

It doesn't literally mean her name is on it.

Didn't know that "have a name on something" is an idiom. Thanks.

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Tapirus    774
11 minutes ago, axxel said:

Blueprints? Would explain some things.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint

The ruins of Constant have antique pieces of Clockworks, even some ones still working. 

It's not too hard make copies of stuff when you have the pieces as example and resources to do it. Basically, its reverse engineering.

 

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