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wheezewort to Aquatuner ratio

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KittenIsAGeek    1661

Need more information.. what element are you running through your aquatuner?  How much of said element?  Remember the aquatuner gives a temperature delta of -14c and the resulting heat energy that will be applied to the wheezeworts is going to be determined by the SHC of the element and the mass of the element that is changing.

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Neotuck    2318

Aquatuners build up heat too fast (+14C per packet of liquid cooled) so any build involving a gas like hydrogen is ineffective 

needs to be in a liquid to disperse the heat from the aquatuner to prevent overheating 

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thejams    81
25 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

How many wheezewort do I need to keep my aquatuner to run 24/7 in a sealed room with with Hydrogen? Would 6 be enough?

LOL :p

  Amount Specific Heat Start Temp   End temp Heating/Cooling Wheezeworts
  g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C   °C DTU/s  
Super Coolant 10.000 8,440 0   -14,0 1.181.600 99
Polluted water 10.000 4,179 0   -14,0 585.060 49
Water 10.000 4,179 0   -14,0 585.060 49
Petroleum 10.000 1,760 0   -14,0 246.400 21
Crude Oil 10.000 1,690 0   -14,0 236.600 20

For reference:

  Amount Specific Heat Start Temp   End temp Heating/Cooling
  g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C   °C DTU/s
Wheezewort            
Hydrogen 1.000 2,400 0   -5,0 12.000,00
Natural Gas 1.000 2,191 0   -5,0 10.955,00
Oxygen 1.000 1,005 0   -5,0 5.025,00
CO2 1.000 0,846 0   -5,0 4.230,00

 

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Oni Noob    178

OMG 49 Wheeze for just 1 Aquatuner :shock: to cool water

Good thing I ask first, I was planning to change my cooling system of my 3 Aquatuner from Freezing Polluted Water to Wheeze

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crypticorb    574
9 minutes ago, thejams said:

LOL :p

 

  Amount Specific Heat Start Temp   End temp Heating/Cooling Wheezeworts
  g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C   °C DTU/s  
Super Coolant 10.000 8,440 0   -14,0 1.181.600 99
Polluted water 10.000 4,179 0   -14,0 585.060 49
Water 10.000 4,179 0   -14,0 585.060 49
Petroleum 10.000 1,760 0   -14,0 246.400 21
Crude Oil 10.000 1,690 0   -14,0 236.600 20

For reference:

 

  Amount Specific Heat Start Temp   End temp Heating/Cooling
  g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C   °C DTU/s
Wheezewort            
Hydrogen 1.000 2,400 0,168 0 -5,0 12.000,00
Natural Gas 1.000 2,191 0,035 0 -5,0 10.955,00
Oxygen 1.000 1,005 0,024 0 -5,0 5.025,00
CO2 1.000 0,846 0,015 0 -5,0 4.230,00

 

I've been looking for this data, where is it sourced from? Experimentation?

49 wheezeworts is not so high an obstacle when you reach space, as you can import mass quantities of them from ice asteroids. At that point, you've probably already built better coolant systems, and are doing it for fun.

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crypticorb    574
Just now, thejams said:

Math...

Right, I understand that. But do you have a spreadsheet of it? How did you find that wheezeworts are -12kDTU/s in hydrogen compared to the other gas numbers?

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beowulf2010    671
1 minute ago, crypticorb said:

Right, I understand that. But do you have a spreadsheet of it? How did you find that wheezeworts are -12kDTU/s in hydrogen compared to the other gas numbers?

Ummm... Math. 

1 Wheezewort lowers 1kg of gas by 5 degrees. 

Hydrogen's Specific Heat Capacity is 2.4.

5 degrees * 1kg * 2.4 = 12kDTU.

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crypticorb    574
Just now, beowulf2010 said:

Ummm... Math. 

1 Wheezewort lowers 1kg of gas by 5 degrees. 

Hydrogen's Specific Heat Capacity is 2.4.

5 degrees * 1kg * 2.4 = 12kDTU.

That is precisely what I needed. I did not know the rate of wheezeworts thermal change, and now I do, my thanks.

@thejams if you have a spreadsheet where those data cells came from so neatly formatted, I'd LOVE to have a copy of it.

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Neotuck    2318
6 minutes ago, crypticorb said:

That is precisely what I needed. I did not know the rate of wheezeworts thermal change, and now I do, my thanks.

@thejams if you have a spreadsheet where those data cells came from so neatly formatted, I'd LOVE to have a copy of it.

Microsoft excel? 

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thejams    81
14 minutes ago, crypticorb said:

Right, I understand that. But do you have a spreadsheet of it? How did you find that wheezeworts are -12kDTU/s in hydrogen compared to the other gas numbers?

I have a spreadsheet with the material properties which I derive the calculations from.

For Wheezeworts for example, we know from in-game data and observations that they move 1kg of gas each second if there is enough gas pressure surrounding them (at least 2kg/tile to work continuously).  They cool down the gas by 5°C and we know the Specific heat fo the gas, so we calculate. This was also experimented some time ago.

I also build systems based on these calculations and they work as predicted.  For example for my Metal refinery Crude oil boiler this was the math and it turned out very precise (assuming 10 steel jobs/cycle):

  Amount Specific Heat Thermal Conductivity Start Temp Heat   End temp Heating/Cooling Comment
  g/s (DTU/g)/°C (DTU/(m*s))/°C °C DTU   °C DTU/s  
Metal Refinery Oil Boiler
                 
Petroleum 6.667 1,760 2,000 0     133,0 -1.560.533,33 << = Metal refinery heat output
Crude oil 5.464 1,690 2,000 231,0     400,0 -1.560.533,33 << = Crude oil boiled
Chamber 1               DTU  
Petroleum 850.000 1,760 2,000 400     255,0 216.920.000,00 << = Produced Petroleum cooling
Crude oil 850.000 1,690 2,000 80     231,0 -216.920.000,00 << = Oil preheat

 

2 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

Microsoft excel? 

Google sheets - let me clean it up and I'll give ya all the link.

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Neotuck    2318
1 minute ago, thejams said:

Google sheets - let me clean in up and I'll give ya all the link.

that's ok, I'm sure we can "google" it

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JukedByLife    25

All that math is making my head explode but I have a system in my current base with 12 wheezworts and an AETN using oil as a coolant. Nowhere near 100%uptime.I'm using it to cool water for my bristle farm and currently, it cannot keep up with demand (38 plants).

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Yoma_Nosme    498

Does the trick still work where you build metal tiles under the aetn and the AT under the metal tiles in an oil tank and it deletes huge amounts of heat because the aetn resets the temp or something like that...sorry I never build it I can just remember it was a thing:wilson_ecstatic:

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PhailRaptor    955
33 minutes ago, JukedByLife said:

All that math is making my head explode but I have a system in my current base with 12 wheezworts and an AETN using oil as a coolant. Nowhere near 100%uptime.I'm using it to cool water for my bristle farm and currently, it cannot keep up with demand (38 plants).

Water holds a lot of heat.  You should use Aquatuners instead.

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JukedByLife    25
5 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said:

Water holds a lot of heat.  You should use Aquatuners instead.

I think you misunderstood my post. I am cooling water for my plants with an aquatuner. I am cooling the aquatuner with oil then cooling the oil with wheezeworts + AETN.

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PhailRaptor    955
22 minutes ago, JukedByLife said:

I think you misunderstood my post. I am cooling water for my plants with an aquatuner. I am cooling the aquatuner with oil then cooling the oil with wheezeworts + AETN.

Ah.  You never mentioned the Aquatuner.  Misunderstanding over.

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Mullematsch    219

You could also build an aquatuner out of steel and set up a steam turbine to cool it down and generate some power. If set up correctly, you don't to worry about cooling it down. 

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DaveSatx    104

a question i'm having is... if you heat oil hot enough ot boil in a refinery, does it just bubble off like polluted water? or does it break the pipes on the way out? :)

 

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Sasza22    2709
59 minutes ago, DaveSatx said:

a question i'm having is... if you heat oil hot enough ot boil in a refinery, does it just bubble off like polluted water? or does it break the pipes on the way out? :)

It breaks the pipes. Every transition breaks them even if it`s liquid->liquid.

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