Oni Noob 178 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 How many wheezewort do I need to keep my aquatuner to run 24/7 in a sealed room with with Hydrogen? Would 6 be enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KittenIsAGeek 1661 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 Need more information.. what element are you running through your aquatuner? How much of said element? Remember the aquatuner gives a temperature delta of -14c and the resulting heat energy that will be applied to the wheezeworts is going to be determined by the SHC of the element and the mass of the element that is changing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neotuck 2318 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 Aquatuners build up heat too fast (+14C per packet of liquid cooled) so any build involving a gas like hydrogen is ineffective needs to be in a liquid to disperse the heat from the aquatuner to prevent overheating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thejams 81 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, Oni Noob said: How many wheezewort do I need to keep my aquatuner to run 24/7 in a sealed room with with Hydrogen? Would 6 be enough? LOL Amount Specific Heat Start Temp End temp Heating/Cooling Wheezeworts g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C °C DTU/s Super Coolant 10.000 8,440 0 -14,0 1.181.600 99 Polluted water 10.000 4,179 0 -14,0 585.060 49 Water 10.000 4,179 0 -14,0 585.060 49 Petroleum 10.000 1,760 0 -14,0 246.400 21 Crude Oil 10.000 1,690 0 -14,0 236.600 20 For reference: Amount Specific Heat Start Temp End temp Heating/Cooling g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C °C DTU/s Wheezewort Hydrogen 1.000 2,400 0 -5,0 12.000,00 Natural Gas 1.000 2,191 0 -5,0 10.955,00 Oxygen 1.000 1,005 0 -5,0 5.025,00 CO2 1.000 0,846 0 -5,0 4.230,00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oni Noob 178 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 OMG 49 Wheeze for just 1 Aquatuner to cool water Good thing I ask first, I was planning to change my cooling system of my 3 Aquatuner from Freezing Polluted Water to Wheeze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crypticorb 574 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, thejams said: LOL Amount Specific Heat Start Temp End temp Heating/Cooling Wheezeworts g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C °C DTU/s Super Coolant 10.000 8,440 0 -14,0 1.181.600 99 Polluted water 10.000 4,179 0 -14,0 585.060 49 Water 10.000 4,179 0 -14,0 585.060 49 Petroleum 10.000 1,760 0 -14,0 246.400 21 Crude Oil 10.000 1,690 0 -14,0 236.600 20 For reference: Amount Specific Heat Start Temp End temp Heating/Cooling g/s (DTU/g)/°C °C °C DTU/s Wheezewort Hydrogen 1.000 2,400 0,168 0 -5,0 12.000,00 Natural Gas 1.000 2,191 0,035 0 -5,0 10.955,00 Oxygen 1.000 1,005 0,024 0 -5,0 5.025,00 CO2 1.000 0,846 0,015 0 -5,0 4.230,00 I've been looking for this data, where is it sourced from? Experimentation? 49 wheezeworts is not so high an obstacle when you reach space, as you can import mass quantities of them from ice asteroids. At that point, you've probably already built better coolant systems, and are doing it for fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thejams 81 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, crypticorb said: I've been looking for this data, where is it sourced from? Experimentation? Math... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crypticorb 574 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, thejams said: Math... Right, I understand that. But do you have a spreadsheet of it? How did you find that wheezeworts are -12kDTU/s in hydrogen compared to the other gas numbers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf2010 671 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, crypticorb said: Right, I understand that. But do you have a spreadsheet of it? How did you find that wheezeworts are -12kDTU/s in hydrogen compared to the other gas numbers? Ummm... Math. 1 Wheezewort lowers 1kg of gas by 5 degrees. Hydrogen's Specific Heat Capacity is 2.4. 5 degrees * 1kg * 2.4 = 12kDTU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crypticorb 574 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, beowulf2010 said: Ummm... Math. 1 Wheezewort lowers 1kg of gas by 5 degrees. Hydrogen's Specific Heat Capacity is 2.4. 5 degrees * 1kg * 2.4 = 12kDTU. That is precisely what I needed. I did not know the rate of wheezeworts thermal change, and now I do, my thanks. @thejams if you have a spreadsheet where those data cells came from so neatly formatted, I'd LOVE to have a copy of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neotuck 2318 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, crypticorb said: That is precisely what I needed. I did not know the rate of wheezeworts thermal change, and now I do, my thanks. @thejams if you have a spreadsheet where those data cells came from so neatly formatted, I'd LOVE to have a copy of it. Microsoft excel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thejams 81 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, crypticorb said: Right, I understand that. But do you have a spreadsheet of it? How did you find that wheezeworts are -12kDTU/s in hydrogen compared to the other gas numbers? I have a spreadsheet with the material properties which I derive the calculations from. For Wheezeworts for example, we know from in-game data and observations that they move 1kg of gas each second if there is enough gas pressure surrounding them (at least 2kg/tile to work continuously). They cool down the gas by 5°C and we know the Specific heat fo the gas, so we calculate. This was also experimented some time ago. I also build systems based on these calculations and they work as predicted. For example for my Metal refinery Crude oil boiler this was the math and it turned out very precise (assuming 10 steel jobs/cycle): Amount Specific Heat Thermal Conductivity Start Temp Heat End temp Heating/Cooling Comment g/s (DTU/g)/°C (DTU/(m*s))/°C °C DTU °C DTU/s Metal Refinery Oil Boiler Petroleum 6.667 1,760 2,000 0 133,0 -1.560.533,33 << = Metal refinery heat output Crude oil 5.464 1,690 2,000 231,0 400,0 -1.560.533,33 << = Crude oil boiled Chamber 1 DTU Petroleum 850.000 1,760 2,000 400 255,0 216.920.000,00 << = Produced Petroleum cooling Crude oil 850.000 1,690 2,000 80 231,0 -216.920.000,00 << = Oil preheat 2 minutes ago, Neotuck said: Microsoft excel? Google sheets - let me clean it up and I'll give ya all the link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neotuck 2318 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, thejams said: Google sheets - let me clean in up and I'll give ya all the link. that's ok, I'm sure we can "google" it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JukedByLife 25 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 All that math is making my head explode but I have a system in my current base with 12 wheezworts and an AETN using oil as a coolant. Nowhere near 100%uptime.I'm using it to cool water for my bristle farm and currently, it cannot keep up with demand (38 plants). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoma_Nosme 498 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 Does the trick still work where you build metal tiles under the aetn and the AT under the metal tiles in an oil tank and it deletes huge amounts of heat because the aetn resets the temp or something like that...sorry I never build it I can just remember it was a thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhailRaptor 955 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, JukedByLife said: All that math is making my head explode but I have a system in my current base with 12 wheezworts and an AETN using oil as a coolant. Nowhere near 100%uptime.I'm using it to cool water for my bristle farm and currently, it cannot keep up with demand (38 plants). Water holds a lot of heat. You should use Aquatuners instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thejams 81 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 @crypticorb & @Neotuck here is the link to the spreadsheet with few examples: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bkmd_REgekDzNQXn2zxWKhdH0IfZCS3ZpisxnLwxV58/edit?usp=sharing You will need to make a copy for yourself to edit it (requires a google account if I'm not mistaken) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JukedByLife 25 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: Water holds a lot of heat. You should use Aquatuners instead. I think you misunderstood my post. I am cooling water for my plants with an aquatuner. I am cooling the aquatuner with oil then cooling the oil with wheezeworts + AETN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhailRaptor 955 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, JukedByLife said: I think you misunderstood my post. I am cooling water for my plants with an aquatuner. I am cooling the aquatuner with oil then cooling the oil with wheezeworts + AETN. Ah. You never mentioned the Aquatuner. Misunderstanding over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullematsch 219 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 You could also build an aquatuner out of steel and set up a steam turbine to cool it down and generate some power. If set up correctly, you don't to worry about cooling it down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveSatx 104 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, thejams said: @crypticorb & @Neotuck here is the link to the spreadsheet with few examples: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bkmd_REgekDzNQXn2zxWKhdH0IfZCS3ZpisxnLwxV58/edit?usp=sharing You will need to make a copy for yourself to edit it (requires a google account if I'm not mistaken) Thank you! still digesting *grin* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkunkMaster 254 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 use steal tuner and turbine. then you get energy back from your cooling efforts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveSatx 104 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 a question i'm having is... if you heat oil hot enough ot boil in a refinery, does it just bubble off like polluted water? or does it break the pipes on the way out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasza22 2709 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 59 minutes ago, DaveSatx said: a question i'm having is... if you heat oil hot enough ot boil in a refinery, does it just bubble off like polluted water? or does it break the pipes on the way out? It breaks the pipes. Every transition breaks them even if it`s liquid->liquid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
