goboking Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Add Moon Hatches to the game and let us feed them mafic rock and regolith. It doesn't really matter what they produce, just let us feed them stuff from the space biome so we can readily dispose of unwanted regolith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Cantouki said: Give us a garbage disposal machine to get rid of unwanted stuff...? I suggested that a while ago here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuQuasar Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Why not simply dig it up and leave it on top of your shield? Digging deletes half of it's mass. Let's assume each meteorite cycle deposits, on average, 1 ton of regolith per tile: After 1st cycle: 1000 kg Dig it up: 500 kg After 2nd cycle: 1500 kg Dig it up: 750 kg After 3rd cycle: 1750 kg Dig it up: 875 kg After 4th cycle: 1875 kg Dig it up: 937 kg After 5th cycle: 1937 kg Dig it up: 968 kg After 5th cycle: 1968 kg This means, if you keep digging it up and don't stockpile it, it will never exceed 2000kg/tile. Just treat the top of the shield as your indefinitely replenishing regolith stockpile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoakenashi Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Say what you will about the regolith, I like having several gigatons of the stuff. Once I actually covert it to something useful, I'll be rich I tell ya, rich, bwahaha *laughs histerically* *ahem* I so want to melt it into magma, but my Metal Refinery doesn't run very often due to lack of lime. I am stuffing the regolith into a few Water Sieves > Polluted Dirt > Composts > Dirt > Sleet Wheat > Pepper Bread. If only I had MORE polluted water. I'm already running six showers ... I think I need lots more sinks. If I had more polluted water I could make more Polluted Dirt > Polluted Oxygen > Liquid Oxygen > Oxygen. Essentially one could sustain duplicants on Pepper Bread and Oxygen all from regolith if one had enough means to pollute water. Go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuQuasar Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 hours ago, yoakenashi said: Essentially one could sustain duplicants on Pepper Bread and Oxygen all from regolith if one had enough means to pollute water. Go figure! Idea for making polluted water: Lock Stinky in a small room with a sink and a pile of polluted dirt from the outhouse.Stinky puts polluted dirt in storage compactor, gets food poisoning germs, then washes hands in sink.Autosweeper takes polluted dirt out of the storage compactor and drops it on floor. Repeat. (Edit) Welp. I went and did it. I gave Harold one cycle and he produced 245 kg of polluted water, which adds up to 9.8 kg of dirt, after sieving. Assuming that's relatively representative, a single one of these could support nearly two sleet wheat plants! And thus I solved everyone's polluted water problems forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 under you have hot to melt the regolith much faster and much easier. Just put an conveyor receptacle submerged by magma made by wolfram and the rails also made by wolfram. When the inside regolith reach 1409.9 degrees it melt and new regolith replace it. It can be used a copper, gold, magma volcano, or you can use the bottom asteroid portion of magma for that. First set the rails and receptacle, dig the room, vacuum it and start melting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FierceClaws Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 8:08 PM, Christophlette said: I made some tests friday I think. The amount of regolith has been reduced drastically in the next update (Rocketry Upgrade). So it will not be a pain anymore. You may even beg for comets ! yeah, right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Posted my screenies on this here in the linked thread below. For me the problem already starts with the bunker doors. I would like to see a version which is 3 times wider, which may be of use as we now have rockets. Also if a bunker door opens, I would like to have building which sucks up all the stuff as it drops down. Not the sweeper, something else....Like an "Regolith Drop-Down-Air-Suction Unit", which sucks it in sideways as it drops, covering 10 or 20 tiles width. Also a super expensive mega detector would be great, so its possible to build just one mega detector. Just make it mega expensive or that it needs insane amounts of energy. Nobody is taking players current automated Regolith builds away, but for me it feels too micro managing. Id rather focus on "Playing the game" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Relevant video by Brothgar. This set-up is able to delete regolith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Spoiler Alarm ! Great video Thanks for sharing. Hahaha, one starts watching and is excited and then the movie throws in the door exploits ! I wonder if they have made the bunker door and bunker tiles indestructable now ? They used to break after lots of impacts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 55 minutes ago, FierceClaws said: yeah, right Is this game started in RU ? Which cycle is this ? You could have done better than just put a screenshot with lots of informations missing. Maybe a little explanation or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FierceClaws Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Christophlette said: Is this game started in RU ? Which cycle is this ? You could have done better than just put a screenshot with lots of informations missing. Maybe a little explanation or something. yes it is started, cycle 600 ended up debug deleting it all because it would overheat my space base and I couldn't collect it efficiently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I have a similar story about my regolith showers. After many cycles i decided to clean the base that i established below the small part of surface i have already "conquered". It took me around a hundred of compactors to even clean the boulders that made it into my base (not to speak of the surface itself of course). But when you see what kind of stacks are still left lying on the ground, you will agree that the current compactors are too small to manage this. The volume alone is one problem, especially since dupes can only pick around 2t of volume each trip. It can take quite a few days to fill all those compactors. The other problem is that regolith drops at around 300°C. So not only does it heat up your storage zone, it does also create quite a few problems if you decide to go for a conveyor solution. My verdict: tier2 storage compactors with 100t capacity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I suggested an compactor skip of 100,200 or 500 tons in the past. I had something like 1000 full compactors in my map, by natural gameplay. At the end I played in debug and deleted them all. Deleting full compactors in debug still crashes my game most times - Its the only thing which makes my game crash. In terms of frame rate I have now got the play style that I delete all materials laying around and dont play with compactors at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 Quote The other problem is that regolith drops at around 300°C. So not only does it heat up your storage zone, it does also create quite a few problems if you decide to go for a conveyor solution. The conveyor is not a problem. Use steel for the sweep arm and receiver... gold for rail sealed whit igneous isolated tile and for the melting area wolfram rail an receivers. I post a picture above for how to cool the sweep arm and receiver (radiating pipe fill whit cold liquid, whit termoshift plate and some liquid (oil or petroleum) for better contact) if the temp is over 275 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 hours ago, tzionut said: The conveyor is not a problem. Use steel for the sweep arm and receiver... gold for rail sealed whit igneous isolated tile and for the melting area wolfram rail an receivers. I post a picture above for how to cool the sweep arm and receiver (radiating pipe fill whit cold liquid, whit termoshift plate and some liquid (oil or petroleum) for better contact) if the temp is over 275 degrees Thanks for the hint, but there is no volcano on my map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 Quote Thanks for the hint, but there is no volcano on my map! This is no problem. transport to the bottom part of the map an use the magma. Fist need to make void for prevent the heat lost, and be careful not to go to the 1409.9 degrees. For transporting and use the heat of the magma for the steam generators. Or if you want use the igneous at 1409 degrees (after you dig it) for wallpapers in the void area or give it to the stone hatches outside of your base for preventing heat contamination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonEmpire Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 this definitely is a major problem. and is lagging my game. I started using sweepers and its noticeably lagging. turning off the sweeper for it and game runs again. On 8/31/2018 at 8:41 PM, tzionut said: The conveyor is not a problem. Use steel for the sweep arm and receiver... gold for rail sealed whit igneous isolated tile and for the melting area wolfram rail an receivers. I post a picture above for how to cool the sweep arm and receiver (radiating pipe fill whit cold liquid, whit termoshift plate and some liquid (oil or petroleum) for better contact) if the temp is over 275 degrees it takes forever and lags insanely just doing the sweeper. somebody above suggested making multiple sweepers and compactors to move instead of rails, which sounds a lot better than moving them on rails with 20-80kg chunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonEmpire Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 5:28 AM, Sevio said: Not a perfect solution but if you just want to collect it all to stop it from lagging the game, you could put it all under a bunker door (sweep it up, then drop it out of the compactors), wait for some regolith to accumulate on top of it and then bury all of the collected regolith: Once done, close bunker door. By the time you have enough regolith to bury again, the door should be covered again and you can dig away the regolith in the pit and repeat the process. does that delete any or are you just condensing them to a big stack of 25t On 8/29/2018 at 11:33 AM, Mariilyn said: Relevant video by Brothgar. This set-up is able to delete regolith. was a cool video. learning some new things. question though is the Steam Turbine still OP. and would it just make sense to leave the regolith to be sitting in a pit below the rocket to have it melt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, RonEmpire said: question though is the Steam Turbine still OP. They don't let sunlight pass through anymore but still can protect against the meteors. 59 minutes ago, RonEmpire said: and would it just make sense to leave the regolith to be sitting in a pit below the rocket to have it melt it. I kinda doubt that it would be enough to melt a reasonable amount of regolith. My compressed pile of regolith is now at ~30 kilotons, and every first time (after loading the save) that I hover my cursor over it, the game freezes for about 30 seconds. If you want an effective way to remove regolith, I would suggest to activate sandbox mode and destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 A lot of solutions presented, which is appreciated, but it all requires volcanoes, magma or Brotghar's solution. At best you have a volcano nearby and you only loose a few hours setting it up. However, if you don't have it nearby, that quickly can become a dozen hours and when you really have bad luck you'll be sacrificing all your spare time for a few days just to get transport set up from the top to the bottom of the map. Assuming you don't use debug. I personally "solved" the issue by having the bunker doors right at the no fly zone and a few cells below I built one row of airflow tiles. The regolith gets limited already because of hitting the no fly zone, and when the bunkers door open, I simply dig up the regolith block. I will not even attempt to store it. Getting the Gravitas POI regolith free was already 60+ cycles for me. Regolith currently is really broken. I hope that's something they will tackle once they start to optimize gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonEmpire Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said: A lot of solutions presented, which is appreciated, but it all requires volcanoes, magma or Brotghar's solution. At best you have a volcano nearby and you only loose a few hours setting it up. However, if you don't have it nearby, that quickly can become a dozen hours and when you really have bad luck you'll be sacrificing all your spare time for a few days just to get transport set up from the top to the bottom of the map. Assuming you don't use debug. I personally "solved" the issue by having the bunker doors right at the no fly zone and a few cells below I built one row of airflow tiles. The regolith gets limited already because of hitting the no fly zone, and when the bunkers door open, I simply dig up the regolith block. I will not even attempt to store it. Getting the Gravitas POI regolith free was already 60+ cycles for me. Regolith currently is really broken. I hope that's something they will tackle once they start to optimize gameplay. agreed. im working on just clearing the debris from recently reaching the surface. I haven't even started making an automatic crusher and moving them left or right with brothgars idea. its a great idea to shift them to one side and pile it up. was thinking shift to the far left or right of the map and just have it push off into a hole that goes to the bottom of the map into a pit of magma. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 29/08/2018 at 6:59 PM, FierceClaws said: yeah, right Only the amount that drops from asteroids, you would have to start a new world, after EU they did change how the regolith was created which did reduce the amount by a fair margin, enough that i got my frames back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonEmpire Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 9:43 PM, QuQuasar said: Idea for making polluted water: Lock Stinky in a small room with a sink and a pile of polluted dirt from the outhouse.Stinky puts polluted dirt in storage compactor, gets food poisoning germs, then washes hands in sink.Autosweeper takes polluted dirt out of the storage compactor and drops it on floor. Repeat. (Edit) Welp. I went and did it. I gave Harold one cycle and he produced 245 kg of polluted water, which adds up to 9.8 kg of dirt, after sieving. Assuming that's relatively representative, a single one of these could support nearly two sleet wheat plants! And thus I solved everyone's polluted water problems forever. Nice. You could even give him a bed and automate food delivery to him and just have him locked in there forever. If he gets too stress and vomits, even more Polluted Water. no toilet = make mess and use that! I'd probably give him a shower just to be nice. I suppose you could add a deoxidizer too so you can consume even more Regolith and make some clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 How do you get an auto sweeper to drop things on the floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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