Developer Cheerio Posted June 8, 2018 Developer Share Posted June 8, 2018 Overall tuning to the power and fertilizer economies Solar panels have a higher max wattage and sun is much much brighter so panels are at max watage for more of the day Meteor showers occur for a smaller percentage of the season Methane generator produces more waste heat Petroleum generator uses less fuel Fertilizer maker is no longer a methane power producer, now it's a fertilizer producer with a specialized recipe Compost produces dirt, sleet wheat requires dirt. Farm station still requires fertilizer Reduced cost of Bunker Door and Bunker Tiles. Puft and light bug will swim up through water to avoid drowning. Hatches no longer try to move vertically between floor tiles. Comet plays damage sounds as it passes through any tiles/buildings, not just on destroy. Fixed another crash when Duplicants were at the top of the simulation grid. Fixed a simulation crash that could occur if a building was destroyed right after being placed using sandbox tools. Fixed another debug key crash in the main menu. Shine bugs stop glowing when they're overcrowded. Liquids will attempt to displace their neighbour liquids if they have sufficient mass. This should _reduce_ the occurrences of a little puddle of liquid stopping the flow of a much larger river of liquid but checkboard type patterns will still ultimately result in the stall. Shine bug egg names should no longer be capitalized when showing up in storage. Creature pivot locators should no longer be visible. Light bug babies should no longer all look the same. Fixed some string formatting on the tooltips in the jobs menu. "Unassigned" in the jobs menu is now localizable. Meteor detector sound effects. View full update 16 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMFan79 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 This is a big one... I'm already hearing people crying... 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Cheerio said: Compost produces dirt, sleet wheat requires dirt. Great! 11 minutes ago, Cheerio said: Fertilizer maker is no longer a methane power producer, now it's a fertilizer producer with a specialized recipe The end of an era... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewreckedangle Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Cheerio said: Puft and light bug will swim up through water to avoid drowning. yaay! 13 minutes ago, Cheerio said: Light bug babies should no longer all look the same. @watermelen671 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Wheat needs dirt. Dirt made in compost. What do you use to feed the composter? Only renewable would be something like lice which would be very micro to manually set to compost. Now fertilizer is just one to feed berries so is relagated to the unused heap. Spam pet gens or spam petroleum to magma for Nat gas. Edited June 8, 2018 by chemie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayveena Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 How could you do this to us??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 looks like a big change about power supply Will you fix the infinite power source steam turbine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I guess this means never going from outhouses to lavatories... R9MX4: how can you create infinite power with the steam turbine? Don't they take a heat source (and are limited by it's heat output?) 1 minute ago, R9MX4 said: Will you fix the infinite power source steam turbine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 What is the easiest way to cook fertilizer to dirt without making sand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, chemie said: What is the easiest way to cook fertilizer to dirt without making sand? Why would you want to do such thing when fertilizer just became a very hard thing to make? 4 minutes ago, caffeinated21 said: I guess this means never going from outhouses to lavatories... Water Sieve > Polluted Dirt > Dirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHAP2712 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, chemie said: Wheat needs dirt. Dirt made in compost. What do you use to feed the composter? Only renewable would be something like lice which would be very micro to manually set to compost. Now fertilizer is just one to feed berries so is relagated to the unused heap. Spam pet gens or spam petroleum to magma for Nat gas. Now flitration medlum is unlimited source(form sky..). So Water sleve> polluted drit>composter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khullag Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 minute ago, ALPHAP2712 said: Now flitration medlum is unlimited source(form sky..). So Water sleve> polluted drit>composter? water sieve still is hardcoded to sand, so you can't just use regolith from space biom, first you need to melt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, caffeinated21 said: I guess this means never going from outhouses to lavatories... R9MX4: how can you create infinite power with the steam turbine? Don't they take a heat source (and are limited by it's heat output?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ALPHAP2712 said: Now flitration medlum is unlimited source(form sky..). So Water sleve> polluted drit>composter? I need to check a current save to see what my dirt inventory looks like. You could be right that sieves produce enough already. Now we can't turn PW to power (which I am fine with) I don't see much use for PW so you might as well sieve it for dirt and water. Otherwise I think a small oil tank heated via a metal refinery set to control tank at 150c will turn fert to dirt. Temp won't matter if wheat is in planters Edited June 8, 2018 by chemie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Very interesting! Will have to re-think some things, but overall this looks very much like a step in the right direction to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khullag Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chemie said: I need to check a current save to see what my dirt inventory looks like. You could be right that sieves produce enough already. Now we can't turn PW to power (which I am fine with) I don't see much use for PW so you might as well sieve it for dirt and water. can you please maybe give a tip what is most reliable source of PW? i do not have PW geyser and i don't want to be dependant on water geysers... now i see only oil -> petroleum and using petro gens which will output PW, but it's lategame. i need like 1.6 kg/sec of PW Edited June 8, 2018 by Khullag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 37 minutes ago, Cheerio said: Fertilizer maker is no longer a methane power producer, now it's a fertilizer producer with a specialized recipe They still emit 10g/s of natural gas(/methane), but my main problem with the new Fertilizer maker is the conversion rate of 120g input into 130g output. Could we at least conserve the mass here ? (would lower the dirt requirements but that´s just my thoughts) (PS: There is still some strange stuff happening to my transit tube crossings inside a vacuume) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Ok so fert synth doesn't make methane. Gas geyser isn't usually nearly enough to run gens. How do we get more methane now? only cooking oil? Turns ngg into late game or really not at all as petro is better 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khullag Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Soulwind said: Ok so fert synth doesn't make methane. Gas geyser isn't usually nearly enough to run gens. How do we get more methane now? only cooking oil? Turns ngg into late game or really not at all as petro is better actually i agree, nerf to fert synths is good but NG geysers produce too low output. e.g. i have 1 NG geyser on current map and it gives 59 g/sec. and 1 NGG needs 90. i'm not event mentioning the dormant period... Edited June 8, 2018 by Khullag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi01 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Soulwind said: Ok so fert synth doesn't make methane. Gas geyser isn't usually nearly enough to run gens. How do we get more methane now? only cooking oil? Turns ngg into late game or really not at all as petro is better I think the geysers could use a bit of a buff or they could reduce the consumption of the generators again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Khullag said: can you please maybe give a tip what is most reliable source of PW? i do not have PW geyser and i don't want to be dependant on water geysers... now i see only oil -> petroleum and using petro gens which will output PW, but it's lategame. i need like 1.6 kg/sec of PW What do you need the PW for now? I think showers and biodistillers are only other producers 3 minutes ago, Soulwind said: Ok so fert synth doesn't make methane. Gas geyser isn't usually nearly enough to run gens. How do we get more methane now? only cooking oil? Turns ngg into late game or really not at all as petro is better I was thinking same thing. Nat gas geysers are usually useless and without a buff you ignore nat gas and spam pet gens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Soulwind said: Ok so fert synth doesn't make methane. Gas geyser isn't usually nearly enough to run gens. How do we get more methane now? only cooking oil? Turns ngg into late game or really not at all as petro is better Last time I checked Oil well and Oil Refinery also output NG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khullag Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 minute ago, chemie said: What do you need the PW for now? I think showers and biodistillers are only other producers shower does not produce PW. it takes 1 kg of clean water and outputs 1 kg of PW. its just and exchange. i'm talking about refining any resource and getting PW. (oil-> petro and petro gens as example). biodistillers are also on my radar but to make it work i need like 36 pufts and enormous amount of PO which i also do not have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Like I said above fert synthesizers still produce 10g/s of natural gas/methane. 19 minutes ago, caffeinated21 said: I guess this means never going from outhouses to lavatories... But I don´t like the way this effects our bathrooms ^^ (Now we have a bigger need for dirt so outhouses could raise in popularity.) => Please rebalance the outhouse/lavatory situation (without the old fert synthesizers the polluted water gain using lavatories lost a bit of it´s charm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, Khullag said: shower does not produce PW. it takes 1 kg of clean water and outputs 1 kg of PW. its just and exchange. i'm talking about refining any resource and getting PW. (oil-> petro and petro gens as example). biodistillers are also on my radar but to make it work i need like 36 pufts and enormous amount of PO which i also do not have So again, why do you need so much PW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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