Developer Ipsquiggle Posted February 2, 2018 Developer Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just a quick note regarding priority: in addition to implementing Duplicant Jobs this update, we also tried to tackle some of the thorny issues of Priority. We felt it was a natural fit that Jobs also affect priority, but we haven’t been happy with the side effects. In particular, it was hard to understand, and now that we've added the ability to retain mastery it didn’t make much sense anymore, so we are going to backburner reviewing priorities for a later update. Please keep posting your feedback, we really appreciate it! Priorities are now 1-9. Jobs now affect priority within a single priority level (e.g. will prefer one prio 5 task over another prio 5 task) rather than across priority levels (6 is always higher than 5 no matter what) Job perks are now permanent upon mastery of the job. The expectations of the highest mastered/assigned job determine the duplicant's expectations Job attribute bonuses adjust to account for permanent perks Jobs can only be changed at the Jobs Desk, construct one to unlock job management A very larger number of Duplicants can be assigned to a single job Re-enabled attribute leveling, reduced max attribute base level to 20 Reintroduced strength attribute to determine carrying amount Athletics is rolled separately from other attributes, and no jobs directly buff athletics anymore Add experience gaining and attribute speed bonuses for more chore types Steam turbine should properly stop if entombed or disabled Dupes will now wait for materials to be delivered before digging out any building which affects locomotion including tiles, ladders, fire poles and the pitcher pump. They will however dig out ladders/fire poles without waiting for materials if the job is attached to an existing ladder/fire pole. Liquids will now only sublimate to a max pressure. Conveyor contents should no longer melt when loading a save file. Multiple instances of a building in a room should now be porperly considered inside that room. Fixed a crash that could occur if a door was destroyed the frame after it received a logic signal. Dig damage texture should no longer disappear just before a tile is properly dug out. Fixed an issue where Duplicants would become unselectable. Tiles can no longer be build on top of Tempshift Plates. Duplicant portraits should now be displaying the proper hats in the vitals/consumables screens. Coal Generator is now automatable. Duplicant job progression is now displayed at the bottom of the stats tab. Duplicants with jobs should now properly prioritize the Massage Table if it is the highest set player prioritized building. View full update 19 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amara313 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I really thank the developers for listening to the community on this. This looks like a better balance between new and old. I look forward to testing this. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Yes yes yes yes...COAL! Edited February 2, 2018 by The Plum Gate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanmac Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Liquids will now only sublimate to a max pressure. No 900+kg polluted oxygen pocket anymore? Ps: fixed crash with conveyor and slime yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hechicera Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 New asteroid time! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ipsquiggle said: Dupes will now wait for materials to be delivered before digging out any building which affects locomotion including tiles, ladders, fire poles and the pitcher pump. They will however dig out ladders/fire poles without waiting for materials if the job is attached to an existing ladder/fire pole. @The_Yok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ipsquiggle said: Priorities are now 1-9. Jobs now affect priority within a single priority level (e.g. will prefer one prio 5 task over another prio 5 task) rather than across priority levels (6 is always higher than 5 no matter what) Yes! This is a lot more clear, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisUsa93 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Thank you very much, this is a really nice Update/fix. I hope you had the time to fix the "farm station" as well, or maybe in the next fix Best regards Edited February 2, 2018 by ChrisUsa93 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Brook Posted February 2, 2018 Developer Share Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hanmac said: Ps: fixed crash with conveyor and slime yet? Hi @Hanmac, Is there an existing bug report for this? I took a look and nothing stood out. If not please report it in the bug tracker, thanks! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I like the new hats! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domelo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the update, nice tuning and fixes. (you guys update fast too. props). I'm just worried about this: 26 minutes ago, Ipsquiggle said: Jobs now affect priority within a single priority level (e.g. will prefer one prio 5 task over another prio 5 task) rather than across priority levels (6 is always higher than 5 no matter what) It sounds limiting, the 1-5* priority had it's flaws but I've felt more in control than before, going back to almost the older system feels strange now. I will test to see how it goes , I'll probably have to adopt a different priority strategy. Edited February 2, 2018 by Domelo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanmac Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Brook said: Hi @Hanmac, Is there an existing bug report for this? I took a look and nothing stood out. If not please report it in the bug tracker, thanks! I don't know yet, saw it happen in video from GrindTheGame Conveyor doesn't like it if you transport slime and it does release polluted oxygen. It caused the game to crash (no crash if it goes through wall) Also it was possible to heat up ice on the conveyor to > 0°C because it doesn't state change Edited February 2, 2018 by Hanmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenshi Kirai Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Unfortunate, my save keeps crashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 •max pressure for sublimation yaaaaaay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amara313 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Tenshi Kirai said: Unfortunate, my save keeps crashing I decided to start over. It might be because you have jobs assigned without the job station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, The Plum Gate said: I like the new hats! Even the fridges get hats now? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) OK, so it looks like the previously mastered jobs aren't automatically calculating the skill and attribute bonuses on old saves ...So *Fires Everyone and walks them back through each job assignment manually* And that seems to work. Edited February 2, 2018 by The Plum Gate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenshi Kirai Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 loading and perfect. build station, set up jobs, but something my "duper" execute a function, it make the game close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannick Vachon Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Does this means we need to start our base over? To make sure the duplicants have their stats from job mastery? Or just to have the Athletics gains they should have got until then I understand this can happen in a preview. I just do not want to lose time trying to fix mu current game if nothing will works with that update Also, my geysers are way too far so without more Athletics, it is a lost cause I think. Will see tonight I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midjones Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Since jobs still affect priority within the same P-level, is it still the case that it takes 2 dupes to build every object? 1 dupe for supplying the build materials, and 1 dupe to come construct it. This is worse when building on an spot that must first be dug, especially ladders to explore deeper areas. Wait for 1 dupe to dig the tile, then 1 to deliver the ladder materials, then 1 to build it. Then repeat for every step of the ladder. Even if I increase the priority of this task, it would still be equal priority for the 3 jobs, still taking synchronous work. Edited February 2, 2018 by midjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krop Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ipsquiggle said: Just a quick note regarding priority: in addition to implementing Duplicant Jobs this update, we also tried to tackle some of the thorny issues of Priority. We felt it was a natural fit that Jobs also affect priority, but we haven’t been happy with the side effects. In particular, it was hard to understand, and now that we've added the ability to retain mastery it didn’t make much sense anymore, so we are going to backburner reviewing priorities for a later update. Please keep posting your feedback, we really appreciate it! typo: s/expecations/expectations/ for STRINGS.UI.DETAILTABS.STATS.RESUME.MASTERED_ROLES_TOOLTIP s/dcreasing/decreasing/ for STRINGS.DUPLICANTS.CHORES.PRECONDITIONS.IS_GETTING_MORE_STRESSED Edited February 2, 2018 by krop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 @Yannick Vachon, I don't think so. But I did notice that none of my dupes had their base stats automatically calculate bonuses to previously mastered jobs, so I fired everyone and started rehiring them in each role they previously mastered, and this seems to give them those bonuses appropriately. Unfortunately, I've got 14 dupes and each has mastered 5 or more jobs, so this is going to be a time consuming process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I really hope endless loops got fixed because I've alreayd lost half the colony to suffocating and starvation loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, Domelo said: Thanks for the update, nice tuning and fixes. (you guys update fast too. props). I'm just worried about this: It sounds limiting, the 1-5* priority had it's flaws but I've felt more in control than before, going back to almost the older system feels strange now. I will test to see how it goes , I'll probably have to adopt a different priority strategy. It's basicly the same as the 1-5* priority system just that the soft priorities only have 1 priority level. The end result is very similar, but simpler, in a sense it is best of both worlds. I liked the 1-5* better but the simplicity of this patch might win out. The big change here is not the priority levels though. The job mastery and duplicant progression changes seem to address all the major concerns about this update, which have been discussed here. This is really, really good and fast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I'll have to try it out, but it sounds like jobs are now what they should be. Specializations and bonus as incentives, not limitations and requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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