Toros Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Dodgerer said: My two cents are this, I don't really mind either, both ar quite similar in their food hoarding. The difference is Wolfgang hoards all the food. I find them both to be powerful for different situations, wolfgang excels at killing dragonflies, and other strong enemies without sanity auras while wigfrid is better vs the other monsters, especially packs of smaller enemies, eg hounds and spiders. The reason why I hate playing as Wolfgang is because of when he changes forms he has a stun animation where he inflates/deflates which is really a sucker in battles. I would absolutely agree that Wolfgang is awkward to use due to transformation animations in combat and his constantly scaling stats while mighty. In unskilled hands and especially on a team of novice players (almost everyone on public servers) he is often dead weight. Wigfrid is much easier to use and therefore generally a better teammate in the hands of a newbie. But Wolfgang is better vs hounds and spiders as well as bosses simply because his damage is that much higher, as is his speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlogy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 10 hours ago, minespatch said: Who would win: Wolfgang or Wigfrid's underwear? i wouldn't mind seeing wigfrid's underwear, but wolfgang probably goes commando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, StarmanNess said: i wouldn't mind seeing wigfrid's underwear, but wolfgang probably goes commando Assuming they both wore underwear, Wolfgang's is more impressive due to adjusting to his drastic size changes, and repairing when torn after going mighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlogy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Toros said: Assuming they both wore underwear, Wolfgang's is more impressive due to adjusting to his drastic size changes, and repairing when torn after going mighty. that's elastic waistbands for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Usually I regret looking at threads like this. And then I see the current discussion is about their underwear. I now regret checking in on this thread even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donke60 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: Usually I regret looking at threads like this. And then I see the current discussion is about their underwear. I now regret checking in on this thread even more. I did what I had too don't judge to to hard though you can judge me plenty that in went straight to underwear blame @minespatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Donke60 said: I did what I had too don't judge to to hard though you can judge me plenty that in went straight to underwear blame @minespatch Of course it was our resident meme lord skeledork that started this... I should have known... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Toros said: Assuming they both wore underwear, Wolfgang's is more impressive due to adjusting to his drastic size changes, and repairing when torn after going mighty. Incredible Hulk clothing physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBark Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 12:15 AM, Mr. Despair said: You don't need health leaching when the DS/T mobs/boss are so easy to kill and healing as wimpy > Wigfrid's vampirism, Wolfgang is great because playing as him means less time pressing F and exploring. Klei thinks that giving more health to the bosses is gonna make them harder but just makes combat more tedious and it's the reason of why i didn't play as Webber/Woddie/Wathever-character-i-think-is-funny in DST and i decided to switch to SW. Not only in combat, In DST there is food everywhere and you can be mighty 24/7, which means wasting less time. Mighty Wolfgang + Cane > Any other pleb with a cane. With Wolfgang you can be mighty all the time, Overload is really fun and blah blah but in Together you can only be in that mode during Spring and some moments of autumn. Unless the server has a wicker bottom, and anyway i thought this thread was discussing Wigfrid and Wolfgang. I do agree with some people, Wolfgang can be disastrous in the wrong hands, I think many of these useless Wolfgang’s expect to be worshipped like a god when all they do is hang around camp eating all my taffy! Then on day twenty( or whenever winter is on that server) they just disappear. I almost always play as Wolfgang, unless I see there’s another Wolfgang on the server, that’s when I go Wiclerbottom or Wilson or Webber. Me and my brother once did a Wolfgang x2 world and we were always running out of food. I think If one of us played Wigfrid, we wouldn’t have so much fighting power but we wouldn’t be starving either. What I’m trying to say is we all can’t be Wolfgang because we would all starve as a wimp. There’s one time you CAN have as many Wolfango as you want! It’s Wickerbottom, Think about it, Wicker could feed an army of Wolfgang’s, as with Wigfrid, she could only give meat by Birds of the World. So Wolfgang can be as good as teaming as other players. Dream Team: Wolfgang+Wigfrid But I stand by my previous point, Wolfgang is much better than wigfrid controlled IN THE RIGHT HANDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Frost Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 7/10/2017 at 11:19 PM, Toros said: This right here is why although we've discussed Wolfgang vs Wigfrid on these forums so many times... clearly it's not enough because some of you just don't get it. I'm not sure if it's blind optimism or a lack of understanding of how the game works but there is absolutely not "no better character, just better for a given goal and situation." Some characters are just universally better because their upsides are useful in ways that matter and their downsides are minimal to ignorable. Speed is always valuable and combat is necessary. The alternative to fighting directly is investing huge amounts of resources into gunpowder and/or bunny hutches so they can fight for you. Both Wolfgang and Wigfrid fill the same role, a combat focused character, and both have a dietary downside. Wolfgang needs more food, and Wigfrid can only eat meat-type food. The issue is that he's far, far better at combat (2.0x damage vs 1.25x damage, 1.25x speed vs 1x speed) and his dietary problems are countered by a belt of hunger, or when you reach the point in the game where you have tons and tons of food (First spring, generally). The only time Wigfrid can be competitive with Wolfgang is when you're bad at the game on a fresh server and you can't manage Wolfgang's hunger needs. Both lack of skill and a fresh world are required, one alone is not enough. None of the top three characters (Wx, Wolfgang, Wickerbottom) have any situations where another character outshines them who is not in the top three, assuming the player is somewhat good at the game. u have my respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curator Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The difference between being Wolfgang and Wigfrid is being really overpowered some of the time and kind of overpowered all the time. It would be easier to just agree that every character except Willow, Winona, Wilson and Wes (keep the memes off) is overpowered in their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 8 hours ago, The Curator said: It would be easier to just agree that every character except Willow, Wilson and Wes (keep the memes off) is overpowered in their own way You heard it here folks, Winona is op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 11 hours ago, The Curator said: The difference between being Wolfgang and Wigfrid is being really overpowered some of the time and kind of overpowered all the time. It would be easier to just agree that every character except Willow, Wilson and Wes (keep the memes off) is overpowered in their own way. There are a number of ways to analyze character balance and one is to look at the strongest, weakest, and average character and see if the spread is unreasonable in either direction. Where you make an error in your analysis is to assume that Wilson was the standard that Klei balanced around. That was never the case nor would it be desireable. The average balanced character would most likely be Webber or Wendy, who have significant advantages and disadvantages that remain meaningful throughout the game. Characters below that point (Wilson, Willow, Wes, arguably Winona and definitely Warly and Walani if we consider SW ported characters) have either major disadvantages without significant perks, or trivial perks that fail to differentiate the character from a beardless Wilson in any significant way. Wilson himself has perhaps the least useful and most boring perk of the entire cast including the SW characters. It’s true that the 3 god tier characters and maxwell are simply too strong (tipping point for me with max is being able to read wicker books) but Webber, Wigfrid, and Wendy are in a very good place where both their perks and disadvantages feel fair and interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlogy Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Toros said: Wilson himself has perhaps the least useful and most boring perk of the entire cast including the SW characters. Off-topic, but the Forge is basically the opposite and I love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, StarmanNess said: Off-topic, but the Forge is basically the opposite and I love that. I love how useful and unique Wilson’s forge perk is, though the balancing in general among the characters is super wonky. I just wish everyone was at a place where they were unique and fun without some characters being absurdly good and people other than Wes being weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curator Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said: You heard it here folks, Winona is op. Oh right. I literally forgot she exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochilo Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 On 7/10/2017 at 12:54 AM, KoreanWaffles said: If only you knew... If only you could see what had happened... Oh wait you can sorryimnotsorry best thread in the forum. also hi But I mean, who in the f are Wolfgang and Wigfrid? Do they inflate balloons? Spoiler, THEY DO NOT. Discussion ended. Have a good evening fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 2 hours ago, mochilo said: Do they inflate balloons? I misread your comment as "Do they inflate into balloons" and I suddenly cringed thinking of Deviantart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donke60 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 7 hours ago, Toros said: I love how useful and unique Wilson’s forge perk is, though the balancing in general among the characters is super wonky. I just wish everyone was at a place where they were unique and fun without some characters being absurdly good and people other than Wes being weak. Don’t you know Wes is “hard mode” so probably solved it’s not a survival games’ job to make you feel weak or powerless against the world or anything. Proper difficulty spikes who wants that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Donke60 said: Don’t you know Wes is “hard mode” so probably solved it’s not a survival games’ job to make you feel weak or powerless against the world or anything. Proper difficulty spikes who wants that? Warly is true hard mode, wes just needs a little more food with wendy damage and more than max hp. Plus Wes has balloons that make good distractions and are fantastic for sanity management. Also, OP decoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donke60 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 8 hours ago, Toros said: Warly is true hard mode To bad he isn’t that fun, Wes doesn’t really hit the right spots or make you do anything different, you are just slightly more restricted in how much you can do in a day. 8 hours ago, Toros said: Also, OP decoration. Obligatory meme of nerfs JK Lol XxxxxxxDdddddddd send to maxwell memes so funny ok enough derailing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxuryHeart Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 On 10/23/2017 at 3:38 AM, BloodBark said: Unless the server has a wicker bottom, and anyway i thought this thread was discussing Wigfrid and Wolfgang. I do agree with some people, Wolfgang can be disastrous in the wrong hands, I think many of these useless Wolfgang’s expect to be worshipped like a god when all they do is hang around camp eating all my taffy! Then on day twenty( or whenever winter is on that server) they just disappear. I almost always play as Wolfgang, unless I see there’s another Wolfgang on the server, that’s when I go Wiclerbottom or Wilson or Webber. Me and my brother once did a Wolfgang x2 world and we were always running out of food. I think If one of us played Wigfrid, we wouldn’t have so much fighting power but we wouldn’t be starving either. What I’m trying to say is we all can’t be Wolfgang because we would all starve as a wimp. There’s one time you CAN have as many Wolfango as you want! It’s Wickerbottom, Think about it, Wicker could feed an army of Wolfgang’s, as with Wigfrid, she could only give meat by Birds of the World. So Wolfgang can be as good as teaming as other players. Dream Team: Wolfgang+Wigfrid But I stand by my previous point, Wolfgang is much better than wigfrid controlled IN THE RIGHT HANDS. I agree with the first and second bolded. You should NEVER have 2 Wolfgangs on one server. It's being wimpy at best and a horrible sabotaging competition at worst. When I see Wolfgang, I go as Wickerbottom. Also, I don't want more than 1 Wolfgang even as Wickerbottom. I want to look for things to build with and manage the base, not worry about feeding a pair of gluttons. I do like Wigfrid when I have Wolfgang, but my dream team is me as Wicker and the other person as Wigfrid, or me as Webber and the other person as Wendy/Abigail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 21 hours ago, LuxuryHeart said: I agree with the first and second bolded. You should NEVER have 2 Wolfgangs on one server. It's being wimpy at best and a horrible sabotaging competition at worst. When I see Wolfgang, I go as Wickerbottom. Also, I don't want more than 1 Wolfgang even as Wickerbottom. I want to look for things to build with and manage the base, not worry about feeding a pair of gluttons. I do like Wigfrid when I have Wolfgang, but my dream team is me as Wicker and the other person as Wigfrid, or me as Webber and the other person as Wendy/Abigail. Feeding two wolfgangs isn’t even hard, he only has 50% more hunger drain than normal. On a team of three two wolfgangs are only an extra person. If they’re both going mighty and not farming their own food they’re failing two different ways at the same time. Issue isn’t wolfgang, it’s the player(s). I always feed myself and then some, which would scale up just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endedbox45 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 My god, what have I started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, Endedbox45 said: My god, what have I started? Civil war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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