Top Hat Vs. Fashion Goggles

[YouKnowWho 8827]

With some of the changes brought in during the crafting update, the noble top hat has now been outclassed by the fashion goggles in almost every way. While both restore the same amount of sanity, the goggles are far cheaper and actually last a whole two days longer than their contemporary. 

Some might argue that this is fine enough since you'll have to craft a top hat anyway for sake of utilizing dark magic, but I still think it's a bit of a shame. While these goggles are indeed quite the fashion statement, it's a pity that something so iconic should fall by the wayside. Plus, it has all those lovely skins!

Here are a couple of ideas I could see to help alleviate the problem. Please, feel free to add some of your own below!

Edited May 16 by YouKnowWho

[Cheggf 8685]

Many people have issue with pig skin, especially during a time when you're using a top hat instead of a tam. I think they're fine and comparable, just alternative recipes.

[Guille6785 2729]

the fashion goggles could only dream of surpassing the drip that top hat skins can grant you

[Waoling 1208]

2 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

the fashion goggles could only dream of surpassing the drip that top hat skins can grant you

Fashion goggles are more fashionable, it also a great fit for Wanda.

[SinancoTheBest 6287]

Top hat provides the 20% wetness resistence vital for fighting wetness so they are still reasonably differentiated

[Captain_Rage 2546]

5 hours ago, YouKnowWho said:

Here are a couple of ideas I could see to help alleviate the problem. Please, feel free to add some of your own below!

Add a forehead slot so you can don a Top Hat and Fashion Googles simultaneously (yes, a forehead slot and not an eye one).

[NightfallsCurse 1643]

Top Hat: Dapper for the handsome

Fashion goggles: ew (͡°ʖ̯͡°)

Top hat also had 20% rain resistance 

[Nettalie 1640]

In all honesty I'm sorta confused why this was the specific change made to the goggles. When they were locked behind the blueprint their benefits did not match the effort needed to go through to get them, and now the opposite is sort of the case where for most people it will feel like an improvement on the tophat in most cases.

It's rare for me to outright think a small decision such as this has any significant impact on anything, however in this case I do believe it over all held back more than it really helped. With two items being so similar in functionality, the problem of oasis fishing still being unengaging and unrewarding and there being very little options in the game when it comes to hats that people would consider using over something such as a tam, I would have personally prefered a different approach for the fashion goggles.

I still respect the decision, its not easy tweaking things in ways that make everyone equally happy after all, it's just not the decision I would have personally made.

While I don't directly agree with any of the poll's suggestions, I'd love to throw my own hat into the ring with how I personally would have approached it:

Spoiler

• Reverting the recipe unlock to fishing in the oasis.
• Adjusting its dapperness to the level of a Tam o' Shanter.
• Adding small insulation against warmth [-60 Insulation].
• Adjusting/Implementing blueprint weight.
  • Blueprints of unlearned recipies are prioritized in the crumpled package's droprates.
  • This means they have a higher chance of dropping without omitting other drops entirely.
• Moving the potted succulent recipe to be prototypable at an alchemy engine.

Keep in mind while I do feel this approach would have been better for me personally, that both bias exists and that the reason behind the decision are the developers' at the end of the day. [Not to mention that everyone has different opinions on how something could be handled, so mine isn't the one ""correct"" opinion by any means.]

Edited May 16 by Nettalie

[Echsrick 3494]

why do you only have nerfs for the goggles? like, if anything, i dont think it sould need pigskin at all

[Lumine04 185]

Your trying to make two completly different items exactly the same.

The goggles are fine as is, both are accessible with their own benefits.

[YouKnowWho 8827]

20 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Many people have issue with pig skin, especially during a time when you're using a top hat instead of a tam. I think they're fine and comparable, just alternative recipes.

I experience quite the opposite, actually. Maybe it’s because I tend to play solo, but I tend to have most of my pigskin at the beginning of the game when i’ve just gone around hammering pig houses and touchstone heads.

At that point, sacrificing one measly skin out of a stack of 28 seems like a much better option than going through the trouble to fight at the minimum 2 tier-1 spider dens. Especially it means I don’t have to worry about having it wear out before I’m bothered enough to collect rabbits.

That being said, you do make a good point with the comparable recipes. Plus, from what others have pointed out, there’s the 20% rain resistance thing. I still think it’s better to use a football helmet instead, but there’s admittedly use cases where you’d want to be dry and also gaining sanity.

Maybe it’s just because I’m used to getting the goggles much later in the game that makes me see them as more powerful than they are. I don’t know

[Terra B Welch 9232]

Let us combine the top hat and desert goggles into a cool steampunk looking hat, wouldn't that be cool?

[HowlVoid 8684]

Here's a very easy fix:

Have the Top hat give slightly more sanity at dawn and night. Have the desert goggles gives slightly more sanity during the day.

Seasonal and day/night clothes are a thing irl and would give these items a bit of personality. Shrouded in the cloak of the night the top hat makes you look more mysterious and foreboding, thus increasing your dapper-ness. Reflecting the scorching heat of the sun on your cool shades is both fashionable and functional, thus increasing your dapper-ness.

[Aquaticbutter7 88]

I just want vanity slots man

[DajeKotlyar 733]

Magic synergy with top hat sounds amazing. Like Wanda perk but weaker, let's say, +20% dmg to all shadow weapon. And it will be honest, if it don't work with Wanda herself.

And with cool hit animation, with can change with different skins)

 

But, honestly, top hat too cheap to do that. Maybe add a single nightmare fuel to recepie

Edited May 17 by DajeKotlyar

[SinancoTheBest 6287]

7 hours ago, Terra B Welch said:

Let us combine the top hat and desert goggles into a cool steampunk looking hat, wouldn't that be cool?

That's an awesome idea, can we get a summer Tam o Shanter via a new recipe from the oasis that combines top hat and fashion goggles? 

[Eughstein 2051]

Am I the only one who uses fashion goggles only to look fancy?

[Empa505 326]

1 hour ago, Eughstein said:

Am I the only one who uses fashion goggles only to look fancy?

I taught that was the their only point, other then to make the desert goggles.

[ALCRD 2672]

9 hours ago, Terra B Welch said:

Let us combine the top hat and desert goggles into a cool steampunk looking hat, wouldn't that be cool?

I totally want this.

[Lumine04 185]

Fun note: while playing Wendy, who already has a 0.75% sanity multiplier, wearing the goggles prevents the loss of sanity in caves, dusk, night (:

(If this applies to others, i dont know, I only played every character for a few hours each before picking Wendy)

Edited May 17 by Lumine04

[ArubaroBeefalo 18341]

1 hour ago, Lumine04 said:

Fun note: while playing Wendy, who already has a 0.75% sanity multiplier, wearing the goggles prevents the loss of sanity in caves, dusk, night (:

(If this applies to others, i dont know, I only played every character for a few hours each before picking Wendy)

also with top hat

[Cr4zyFl4mes 576]

On 5/17/2022 at 8:39 AM, DajeKotlyar said:

Magic synergy with top hat sounds amazing. Like Wanda perk but weaker, let's say, +20% dmg to all shadow weapon. And it will be honest, if it don't work with Wanda herself.

Same, i love that suggestion. It would give it a solid, yet not unbalanced reason to actually wear (if we disregard the obvious fashion reasons). 20%  (wanda excluded) sounds ok , until you remember wolfgang with spicy volt goat chaud-froid exists (it would give him adidtional 84 damage to his every hit). maybe 10% would be enough. or 15 as a common ground. Man, i already treat it as a feature lol - that's how well it would fit this item.

All different kinds of magic synergy with it would be cool.

Edited May 19 by Cr4zyFl4mes