gabberworld Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 ok i found ddr5 memory selling but price is idiotic high https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Memory/DOMINATOR-PLATINUM-RGB-DDR5-Memory---Black/p/CMT32GX5M2A4800C34 why its idiotic high? because ddr5 is not new technology ddr5 is been used at video cards long time now. and they jumped to ddr6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nehio Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Time : 115 CPU : i7-9700k Graphics card : 3080TI FTW Ultra RAM : 32GB DDR4-3466 CAS : 16 18 18 36 HDD : Samsung EVO Pro 500 GB NVMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hat Logan Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 4:20 PM, gabberworld said: ok i found ddr5 memory selling but price is idiotic high https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Memory/DOMINATOR-PLATINUM-RGB-DDR5-Memory---Black/p/CMT32GX5M2A4800C34 why its idiotic high? because ddr5 is not new technology ddr5 is been used at video cards long time now. and they jumped to ddr6 jfyi: GDDR5 is not DDR5, and DDR5 has never been used for graphics card and probably never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, Big Hat Logan said: jfyi: GDDR5 is not DDR5, and DDR5 has never been used for graphics card and probably never will yes know that its called GDDR at graphic cards, G stands for graphics. they added for DDR5 the ecc control but that is also old technology, amd even supports ecc for they motherboards, in intel you see them only at servers i not see point atm for buy the ddr5 anyway, reason is that very good ddr4 performs currently same like ddr5 when thy increase they cpu to 5000 then that is different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, gabberworld said: yes know that its called GDDR at graphic cards, GDDR and DDR are fundamentally different technologies. GDDR5 for example have more in common with DDR3 than with DDR4 or DDR5. The # (sometimes an X behind it) does not in any way corrolate between the two. They have separate development paths as laid out by their JEDEC specification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 12 hours ago, Saturnus said: GDDR and DDR are fundamentally different technologies. GDDR5 for example have more in common with DDR3 than with DDR4 or DDR5. The # (sometimes an X behind it) does not in any way corrolate between the two. They have separate development paths as laid out by their JEDEC specification. there nothing commend about that as i already read that multi times from wikipedia but technology not starts only about at numbers behind the text, if you read closer they are sdram what goes back to 1996 what you see in ddr5 is the upgrade from ddr4 but its not new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, gabberworld said: what you see in ddr5 is the upgrade from ddr4 but its not new That's not completely true either. DDR5 switches to dual independant half-width channel with twice the chop and burst length. If your company is a JEDEC member or associate member you can download the white papers on the JEDEC site. Alternatively, if you're an IEEE member with 2 years of senority you can apply for a limited access account of the JEDEC stie after you've signed the pre-requisite NDAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Saturnus said: That's not completely true either. DDR5 switches to dual independant half-width channel with twice the chop and burst length. If your company is a JEDEC member or associate member you can download the white papers on the JEDEC site. Alternatively, if you're an IEEE member with 2 years of senority you can apply for a limited access account of the JEDEC stie after you've signed the pre-requisite NDAs. if you cut 64bit to 2x you indeed get the 2 x 32 bit memory lanes, you know what that means? in theoretically you can use 32 bit memory in 64 bit machine, but i to like that they todo that in ddr5, because in programming language it means, integer can be stored only one side memory as it is 32bit or it was 8 anyway it means we to may see allot performance at some apps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, gabberworld said: if you cut 64bit to 2x you indeed get the 2 x 32 bit memory lanes, you know what that means? in theoretically you can use 32 bit memory in 64 bit machine, but i to like that they todo that in ddr5, because in programming language it means, integer can be stored only one side memory as it is 32bit Not quite, the packet size is still the same for both channels in DDR5. In DDR4 the channel width is 72bit (64bit data + 8bit ECC) and the chop and burst lengths is 4 and 8 giving a packet size of 256bit data/512bit data respectively. In DDR5 the channel width is 40bit (32bit data + 8bit ECC) but the chop and burst lengths are doubled to 8 and 16 giving the same 256bit data/512bit data packet sizes. In DDR5 there's 2 channels however so the data bandwidth is doubled while the total amount of bits transferred (including the now non-optional ECC) is actually 2.22(2) times that of DDR5. Given the same relative base frequency naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Not quite, the packet size is still the same for both channels. In DDR4 the channel width is 72bit (64bit data + 8bit ECC) and the chop and burst lengths is 4 and 8 giving a packet size of 256bit data/512bit data respectively. In DDR5 the channel width is 40bit (32bit data + 8bit ECC) but the chop and burst lengths are doubled to 8 and 16 giving the same 256bit data/512bit data packet sizes. In DDR5 there's 2 channels however so the data bandwidth is doubled while the total amount of data transferred is actually 2.22(2) times that of DDR5. Given the same relative base frequency naturally. i heard that ecc is controlled only inside memory, in regular pc. server uses little different ecc types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, gabberworld said: i heard that ecc is controlled only inside memory, in regular pc. server uses little different ecc types ECC is not optional in DDR5 unlike in DDR4 (and earlier). It's required to maintain data integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDeusMachina Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 *grabs popcorn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 4:25 PM, Saturnus said: ECC is not optional in DDR5 unlike in DDR4 (and earlier). It's required to maintain data integrity. while we talk here the ddr5 , Samsung already testing DDR6 with four channels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Topic TLDR: game runs horribly slow. We demand more FPS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreoplanes Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Time : 180 seconds CPU : i7-1185G7 @3.00GHz Graphics card : Iris(R) Xe RAM : 16 GB, LPDDR4x, 4267 MHz, integrated, dual channel HDD : 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Micron 2300 Solid State Drive Basically a Dell XPS 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaikora Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Time : 2:10 or 130 seconds CPU : i7-9700k @ 3.60GHz O/C 4.61GHz Graphics card : 1050 TI RAM : 64GB DDR4-3200MHz CAS : 16 20 20 38 HDD : WD Black 1TB SN750 M.2 NVMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/1/2021 at 8:26 PM, Oreoplanes said: Time : 180 seconds CPU : i7-1185G7 @3.00GHz Graphics card : Iris(R) Xe RAM : 16 GB, LPDDR4x, 4267 MHz, integrated, dual channel HDD : 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Micron 2300 Solid State Drive Basically a Dell XPS 13 hmm, 180 sec is kind off allot for this cpu for me it looks like that Iris(R) Xe slows you down or memory latency is very bad i recommend get rid off this laptop as fast as possible, never buy laptop what have LPDDR you cant upgrade your memory at there when factory decides add garbage memory latency modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksense Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just bought a new PC and thought I'd contribute. Old PC Time : 2:34 or 154 seconds CPU : i7-4790K @ 4.00GHz Graphics card : GTX 970 RAM : 2x8GB DDR3 @ 1904MHz (Kingston HyperX Fury) CAS : ?? HDD : WD Black SN750 1TB MB: Asus Z97-E PSU : EVGA 750GQ CPU cooler : Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO New PC (old GPU and SSD) Time : 1:43 or 103 seconds CPU : i7-12700K @ 3.70GHz - 5.10GHz (auto managed by Asus AI Suite) Graphics card : GTX 970 (same as before) RAM : 2x16GB DDR4 @ 3200 MHz (Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro CMW32GX4M2E3200C16) CAS : 16-20-20-38 HDD : WD Black SN750 1TB (same as before) MB: Asus TUF Gaming Z690-Plus D4 PSU : Corsair HX850 CPU cooler : Noctua NH-D15 chromax black (only mid-fan, no RAM+case clearance for the second fan) Notes - Managed to snatch an RTX 3070 but it's not yet arrived, don't think it matters for this benchmark though; - I haven't installed the game or Windows in my new WD SN850 drive but I doubt it'd make it any faster. Seems to be CPU and RAM bound. Curious to see what happens with DDR5, but I'm not upgrading MB and RAM for at least another year; - Not only is in-game faster, but the save file loads substantially faster too, like 2-3x faster, on the exact same SSD so clearly CPU bound; - I only ran one test on the old build but several on the new one, all with the same suggested method - right after restart. The standard deviation was only 2 seconds, I presented the median as the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 @darksense great single core performer + superb cooler...Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 hours ago, darksense said: Curious to see what happens with DDR5, but I'm not upgrading MB and RAM for at least another year; depends what games you play, at some games GPU is more important than PC memory, oni is memory based game as it have allot data stored in memory self as you get 103 sec with this test you are already in elite club what means you pc performs very good even in late game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo12 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Time: 2:00 Intel I7 9700K, OC @ 4.68Ghz 16x GB RAM 2666 Mhz Graphics: NVIDIA 2070 Super SSD Edit: Change on RAM. Time: 1:55 Intel I7 9700K, OC @ 4.68Ghz 32x GB RAM 3000 Mhz [XMP] Graphics: NVIDIA 2070 Super SSD Overall fps improved from 11 to 13 after the change on RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMomOnShrooms Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I'm a late to the party but felt obligated to contribute as I'm curious on this Subject matter of ONI performace vs Parts and also love Francis's Channel Hopefully my info helps someone somewhere Time : 01:42.38 or 102.38 seconds CPU : i9 12900kF (stock settings) (this was on windows10) Graphics card : GTX 1080 (MSI aftermarket) RAM : 2x16GB DDR4 3600Mhz (corsair) CAS : 18,22,22,42,64 CR1T SSD : Samsung SSD 980 500 GB Pcie gen 3x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Thanks for sharing dear @YourMomOnShrooms It took weeks to get the song out of my head, I think the great @cpy posted it. Ahhhhh, reading your forum name I now got it in my head again all day long Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, mushroom, mushroom ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/19/2021 at 4:46 PM, babba said: Thanks for sharing dear @YourMomOnShrooms It took weeks to get the song out of my head, I think the great @cpy posted it. Ahhhhh, reading your forum name I now got it in my head again all day long Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, mushroom, mushroom ! You can never have enough badgers in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 waiting other pc stuff, my i9-12900 arrive with some other parts, probaply next week i can build that up, for me it will be huge performance jump because i still currently use the ddr3 what is most scenarios still just fine as i to have 32gib memory and some spitted stuff between ssd for get maximum out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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