Poll on if Wurt should be changed or not  

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  1. 1. Should Wurt be changed?

    • No
      39
    • Yes, give her a full rework.
      37
    • Yes, give her a small change.
      114
    • I have no opinion.
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ArubaroBeefalo    11058
5 minutes ago, pyroisshy said:

please just make the merm king chew faster

i found by accident that you can drop food near a merm sitting on the rub will stand up and start eating like a werepig

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Merms do more damage and can help with resource gathering but they are inferior to spiders in my eyes for combat.

that is fair. Weeber has more control and wurt more uses for them

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2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

The problem is she isn't outclassed by him due to loyalty duration she's outclassed due to the tools and interactions he has.

Merms do more damage and can help with resource gathering but they are inferior to spiders in my eyes for combat.

Spiders are just better than merms, period.

The only time Wurt would have an advantage over Webber is when tromping through the swamp, or when it's spring, since all she needs is a thermal stone for warmth.

Giving Wurt infinite merm loyalty wouldn't step on Webber's toes too much, and it would raise merms a little bit so they're not one hundred percent outclassed by Maxwell's shadows and Webber's spiders.

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ArubaroBeefalo    11058
8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

It's hard to say wurt has more uses tbh webber's followers handle all of combat below boss tier, can hold light for you, heal you, and can be used as portable non spoiling food when rations run low and all without Wurts multiple issues.

healing is a very good perk but the others are nice but not comparable with resorce gathering (think about how much logs, rocks, flint, nitre, marble, ice,gold, etc you waste)

both are good, there is no point of saying one is better in general than the other when they have so different perks

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I think Wurt's main issue is Merms, and the fact that she's practically 3 characters in one.

She has a worse version of Maxwell's shadows, a worse version of Webber or Wortox's monster status since at least they can trade with pig king, and a worse version of WX78's upgrade system that costs more, requires upkeep, and isn't as effective as WX78's upgrades.

If Merm King was changed to require less upkeep by making the merms help out a little, which gives a bit more life to the world of DST, and lets Wurt actually go and do things instead of having to come back to babysit the king. 

Merms AI should also be improved. Make them stop getting stuck. Let them come out in Winter. Have them avoid tentacles, since they can see them.

And don't let Wurt eat corn cod or popperfish anymore, I mean come on.

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Mike23Ua    11248

Why on earth are you building a Merm King at all?? In all my time playing Wurt I’ve only bothered with that TWICE- because as I pointed out: Once you elect a king Merms become stupid and PASSIVE, when there is no king.. they will aggressively punch anything that dares to come near their houses.

Merm King waste of time, Florp!

I believe if he was meant to be a huge part of Wurts gameplay, then he needs obvious changes… because for now it’s actually BETTER to NOT have a Merm King.

Also I don’t see Wurts followers losing loyalty as being too much of an issue when you can literally just re-hire them again with as little as 1 seed dropped by random bird, a carrot, a juicy berry, a fish.. etc.

I don’t really know HOW to make the Merm King more useful (allowing us to command Merms as to if we want them to be aggressive or passive like Sooth/Rile Abigail..  so building him doesn’t feel like you’ve lost something, MIGHT Help… but other than that- I have no ideas worth suggesting.)

Another thing I want to point out is there are fish in the ocean that provide warmth and cold like a thermal stone- Wurt can actually not have a thermal and just use these fish instead to not only deal with cold/warmth but gain the sanity perk of pet fish.

I forget the official names of these fish but I think one was Sunbrim?

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Just now, Souper said:

IMO, the character should have a role in mind, and almost everything should be developed around the role that character should fulfill

They messed up here somewhere with Wurt.

Either A. The role in mind for Wurt was to work with the merms. You can replace almost EVERY aspect of her kit with things for bunnymen. Make a bunny king! Bunny warriors instead of merm warriors! Both races don't eat meat, so no problem there. The only things you can't replace are tentacle spotting, swamp boost, and the fact that pigs and merms are at war. Fish can be replaced with trapped bunnies! Wurt could even be just a stinky girl who likes merms and doesn't like pigs, she doesn't even have to be mermish for it to work. The only thing that would change is not being able to run fast in swamp, and not getting a buff from merm king.

Or B. There was no role in mind and they just went wild with Wurt. Kind of like Walter.

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Mysterious box    1097
54 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

healing is a very good perk but the others are nice but not comparable with resorce gathering (think about how much logs, rocks, flint, nitre, marble, ice,gold, etc you waste)

both are good, there is no point of saying one is better in general than the other when they have so different perks

This is true but there are other methods to farm resources faster and even then aside from rocks oother mining resources don't spawn near you so you have to bring the merms to it and then walk them back home or kill them so they don't get lost and at that point why not just do the mining yourself? As for wood pigs exsist as does bearager and maxwell Merms being able to help gather resources is nice but it's held back by their many problems and easier alternatives.

24 minutes ago, Beeremy the III said:

They messed up here somewhere with Wurt.

Either A. The role in mind for Wurt was to work with the merms. You can replace almost EVERY aspect of her kit with things for bunnymen. Make a bunny king! Bunny warriors instead of merm warriors! Both races don't eat meat, so no problem there. The only things you can't replace are tentacle spotting, swamp boost, and the fact that pigs and merms are at war. Fish can be replaced with trapped bunnies! Wurt could even be just a stinky girl who likes merms and doesn't like pigs, she doesn't even have to be mermish for it to work. The only thing that would change is not being able to run fast in swamp, and not getting a buff from merm king

Truthfully aside from her wetness perk wurt doesn't feel like a merm I know it was done due to balance reasons but then I squint at webber.

42 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Why on earth are you building a Merm King at all?? In all my time playing Wurt I’ve only bothered with that TWICE- because as I pointed out: Once you elect a king Merms become stupid and PASSIVE, when there is no king.. they will aggressively punch anything that dares to come near their houses.

Merm King waste of time, Florp!

And you don't see this as a problem?

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6 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Truthfully aside from her wetness perk wurt doesn't feel like a merm I know it was done due to balance reasons but then I squint at webber.

The best part? We had to wait one and a half years for said wetness perk. Which isn't even unique to her, as Wormwood also has it!

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Souper    318
3 hours ago, Beeremy the III said:

The best part? We had to wait one and a half years for said wetness perk. Which isn't even unique to her, as Wormwood also has it!

a plant (which technically can get too wet and die because of it) somehow gets wetness immunity, but a fish whose natural habitat is water doesn't.

Makes sense to me.

I'm convinced time moves 70% slower for Klei, considering how late they push some of these obvious changes.

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7 minutes ago, Souper said:

a plant (which technically can get too wet and die because of it) somehow gets wetness immunity, but a fish whose natural habitat is water doesn't Makes sense to me.

I'm convinced time moves 70% slower for Klei, considering how late they push some of these obvious changes.

Personally, I think Wormwood should be rewarded for keeping his wetness around the half way point with a bit of health regen, or fertilizers being more effective, since plants do need water to grow. But honestly, the fish girl should have started with no wetness penalty. The only thing she can hold against all the other survivors in wetness is having a strong grip. That's it. Can't hold the sanity debuff over Wormwood. A strong grip is the only thing setting the FISH GIRL apart from a plant in regards to wetness.

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Mysterious box    1097
29 minutes ago, Souper said:

a plant (which technically can get too wet and die because of it) somehow gets wetness immunity, but a fish whose natural habitat is water doesn't Makes sense to me.

I'm convinced time moves 70% slower for Klei, considering how late they push some of these obvious changes.

To make matters worse she freezes from it despite being clearly happy from being wet and other merms always being considered wet. To be fair just pointing out her quote inconsistencies will make your head spin.

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Mysterious box    1097
5 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

 I Apologize if my words are harsh. But there are some things that must be said.

 

 

Wurt's Florpin' Trash.

 

Sure, she's a beast late game, but everything about her design just oooozes paltryness. Frankly, I'd consider her worse than Walter. Atleast he has some fun concepts beneath excessive layers of fluff.

 

Speed boost from swamp turf and can tell where tentacles are. Fine enough I suppose, Though it would be nice if that second thing worked a bit better in Winter.

Can build merm houses: "Oh boy, a summoner character who can build different structures for different minions? I can't wait to see how many options there are" -{People before Wurt launched, probably

Craft merm houses: These are just pigs. Pigs that arn't scared of the dark, sure. But just pigs none the less. Ah it's not too bad though, these are just the basic summons I'm sure teh rest of them are be-

Merm Florpifications: These are just pigs again. Stronger pigs sure, but fundementally they're just Vegan Pigs.The other summoner characters atleast have interesting dynamics with their minions. Abigail being a single summon with AOE damage, and pre-rework webber being able to ammass hordes of weak minions with minimul investment. But not Wurt. Unless you're looking to punch rocks, nearly any character can do what she does with either pigs or bunnymen.

 

And on top of that, Wurt doesn't evemn *need* her minions. The other summon characters have something their allies help them compensate for. Wendy has lower damage, which Abigail can fill in. And Webber's a monster, way more of the constant is after his silky beard. Wurt though? She hates pigs, sure. But that's about it really. she's just as effective at, say, fighting or harvesting as any other character. She doesn't need minions, especially when you have a King of the Merms alive givcing you some of the highest stats in the game. Oh yeah, that's my next point.

 

King of the merms sucks too.

 

A fat lard who takes a ton of resourcves to build, and then even more resources to upkeep. And for what? stronger pigs and a stat boost? There's basically no reason to keep this guy alive instead of just letitng him waste away until you need to fight something. Oh what's that? Trades. well, if you realy so desire, you could trade some fish for... Kelp, seeds, tentacle spots. And trinkets..That last one's pretty good, you can trade them to the OH WAIT. Wurt can't use trinkets, because her racism of pigs keeps her from trading with the Pig King. Admitedly a pretty good downside, but WHY does the Merm King give you items that are primarily used in a mechanic Wurt can't interect with? It's hopeless, I tell ya.

 

Veganism: Ok this... is actually pretty good. I like this. I don't like how Wurt gets bonus stats from foods she eats. That seems like it defeats the whole purpose. But I like it overall.

 

And then there are other things I could talk about. Like , did you know that Merm flortifications take 12x longer to spawn guards during winter? Or that Craftmerm houses don't spawn merms *at all?* in this season? Why? I dunno.

 

Oh, or how about how Merms don't tell you when they're getting hungry? For a pig knockoff, it's surprising how Klei forgot about some basic functionality from pigs. Y'know?

 

All 'n All. Wurt *is* Strong with the resources put in. Any character with an army is. But her direction and design are just so... Messy. Loose ends and threads that only exist for the sake of it. I'm sorry, but Wurt is just bad.

Add fish not stacking and Merms not having names and this sums up my thoughts i like Wurt but she has so much going against her.

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Keller Max    194

1) Make lost merms (any creature with house) teleport to their house instead of unloading him for ever.

2) Better way to control merms. Something to make them aggressive/ protective(will attack anyone who targets you or another hired merm)/passive Attack commands, retreat, etc... (Its so annoying how ai works rn.)

3) Let us dismiss hired merms

4) Passive health regen on merms

5) Way to hire merm for infinity (Like Webber can)

6) Scrap swamp turf speed boost

7) More fish interactions (stacking etc...)

8) Merm king eats faster. No need for second king in cave to get a boost there. Pool of gifts for different fishes (Gems, Gears,... for rare fishes) Small damage buff to Wurt when king is fed.

9) (Big downside) Wurt needs to be wet, or she will get overheated or freezing very easily. Wet wurt will wet mobs with melee attacks. (Ability to take a bath in ocean or ponds to get wetness, watering can, etc...) No sanity decreases

10) Swimming in the ocean

11) Merms can get higher in ranks (Better stats for killing other creatures, gathering mats, etc...)

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Mike23Ua    11248

Did you ever think that maybe the Merm King giving trinkets is for a lore reason? 
Maybe Fatty Seaweed and Fatty Bacon were once best friends..? Maybe before the pig vs Merm civil war broke out Merm King used to shower Pig King in gifts? And that’s why when you give gifts to Pig King he happily showers you with gold.

Maybe Merm King was given gifts from pig king he chunked into the ocean saying “Me no want this Florping trash!”

Then they tied into it and War broke out and well yeah- The rest is ancient history told on the battleground of a Great War.

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ShadowDuelist    9256

It would seem to me that Wurt is the DLC character that received the less love post release.

Besides all her bugfixing, starting from merms being lost, and some improvements to the trading system of Merm King and the control over merms, I'd like the "normal" merms to be assigned some roles. 
EG: fishermerms,  Woodchopper merms that also collect and bring you the wood (if they survive the treeguards.) or a dedicated merm that if you leave a fridge full of vegetable food will help you feed the king. Stuff like that.
It'd be really cool if she'd automate bases somewhat, even if it was on 2 or 3 simple things.
 

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GenomeSquirrel    1187
1 hour ago, Theukon-dos said:

King of the merms sucks too.

 

A fat lard who takes a ton of resourcves to build, and then even more resources to upkeep. And for what? stronger pigs and a stat boost? There's basically no reason to keep this guy alive instead of just letitng him waste away until you need to fight something. Oh what's that? Trades. well, if you realy so desire, you could trade some fish for... Kelp, seeds, tentacle spots. And trinkets..That last one's pretty good, you can trade them to the OH WAIT. Wurt can't use trinkets, because her racism of pigs keeps her from trading with the Pig King. Admitedly a pretty good downside, but WHY does the Merm King give you items that are primarily used in a mechanic Wurt can't interect with? It's hopeless, I tell ya.

 

 

You can give trinkets to catcoons, you might get lucky and get some nice seeds

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Parusoid    1066
3 hours ago, Souper said:

Wormwood is a fantastic character because he has a very clear role,

and what that role would be? please don't tell me gardening :D

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