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My opinions on Wanda's stuff (kinda)

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ArubaroBeefalo    11022

totally agree, her weapon sound more like a very late game weapon which makes some bosses need fixes than a 1st autumn weapon

the moment you get it the moment all the difficulty that comes with wanda disappears. But you need to be at 1 hit to be strong  Nope, mature wanda deals a lot of damage and, with night armor or thulecite armor plus backstep watch, you resist a lot. Also doesnt matter to be at 1 hit from death in most scenarios when you kill enemies before they can reach you...

i would be ok with the weapon if the enemies could atleast fight back, an adjustment in the recipe could be nice too. I wont ask for a high nerf for the weapon, at the end klei makes characters for all the people and is ok if this character has a weapon that makes her downsides easier to prevent only few little people playing it (which means also less sales) . But i would prefer something weaker if you ask me

high risk - high reward is what glass cannon means which maybe with a dark sword is achieve but with her weapon is more like medium risk - inmense reward

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Duck986    1516
13 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

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yea, I forgot about them lol. that means that backtrek and alarm watches can be got easier than I anticipated.

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Theukon-dos    3271
1 minute ago, Duck986 said:

yea, I forgot about them lol. that means that backtrek and alarm watches can be got easier than I anticipated.

They are. Though I still agree that Wanda doesn't need nerfed. 

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Mysterious box    1097

In a fair amount of cases I Wanda can get her alarming clock by say 8 or less but something to keep in mind is she is usually in constant competition for resources with other rushers and Wanda's which while playing alone or with friends isn't a big deal it can feel like you racing against the clock on pubs.

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Cheggf    4222

You start with enough time pieces to make the alarming clock so you don't even need to go to the ruins to get it. You just need a shadow manipulator and a little marble, which is plentiful from all the statue set pieces.

25 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

In a fair amount of cases I Wanda can get her alarming clock by say 8 or less but something to keep in mind is she is usually in constant competition for resources with other rushers and Wanda's which while playing alone or with friends isn't a big deal it can feel like you racing against the clock on pubs.

It's a lot easier to get in pubs. Every time I join a pub as Wanda I end up collecting at least a dozen time pieces from Wandas that die and disconnect.

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Mysterious box    1097
1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

You start with enough time pieces to make the alarming clock so you don't even need to go to the ruins to get it. You just need a shadow manipulator and a little marble, which is plentiful from all the statue set pieces.

It's a lot easier to get in pubs. Every time I join a pub as Wanda I end up collecting at least a dozen time pieces from Wandas that die and disconnect.

Sadly before i can swipe them people already get theirs swiped lol also idk if it's the servers I'm on or if it's because people are using mods but i usually find all the graves dug and marble mined by day 3-4 at the latest...

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sinisterrkid    1790
49 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

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I mean, I think OP is in agreement with you. I agree with both, except that I think clockmaker's tool is fine as is.

The thing about reducing alarming clock's range would be a biiit of a bummer, but might be the easiest solution for the stunning thing, and I might end up not even feeling the difference in range.

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Duck986    1516
5 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Why can't people just enjoy the alarming clock? Would you be so happy to get an alarming clock that has no range and deals hambat damage?

Wait-wait-wait. I already said that decreasing range AND damage makes no sense, because this weapon will suck then. Lowering one or another will make Wanda more glass cannon'y, just like she should be.

5 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

it's getting frustrating to keep finding nerf topics when so many of us are enjoying Wanda as she is.

I understand, and it's totally fine to enjoy what you like. I also like her as a character, but some things, in my opinion, may be changed or tweaked to make her better, and that applies to all characters.

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Shosuko    3270
50 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

You had me till you did my boy Walter dirty...

I enjoy playing Walter... but his slingshot could be a whole lot better and not be close to OP...  imo his kit has plenty of room for buffs.

3 hours ago, Duck986 said:

Wait-wait-wait. I already said that decreasing range AND damage makes no sense, because this weapon will suck then. Lowering one or another will make Wanda more glass cannon'y, just like she should be.

I understand, and it's totally fine to enjoy what you like. I also like her as a character, but some things, in my opinion, may be changed or tweaked to make her better, and that applies to all characters.

Decreasing power doesn't make her more of a glass cannon, because a glass cannon is supposed to have power.  If you want to make her "more glass cannon" you have to either increase her fragility, or increase her potential damage.

I think @ShadowDuelist said it best - A full health Wolfgang with DAYS of tanking time is dealing only slightly less damage with dark sword then <25% health Wanda with gated healing...  Sure "with armor she won't die in 1 hit" yeah that's just the nature of armor in this game blocking 80-95% damage.  She doesn't have the 150+ health pool of cushion to tank through so you've got to perform.

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Mysterious box    1097

 

8 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

they should did it like the forge darts. High damage but you have to actually aim or just make the slingshot hit faster but with more effective effects in his rounds and more kind of utlity rounds instead of just pressing F to deal slow free of danger damage

I don't really see in issue of it just being either the same speed as Wanda's weapon or slightly slower as it stays sputters undermine ranged combat that being said I feel like we're reaching a point where kiel may have to eventually just rework mobs to deal with ranged combat like giving pigs the wild boar charge or something.

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ArubaroBeefalo    11022
Just now, Mysterious box said:

 

I don't really see in issue of it just being either the same speed as Wanda's weapon or slightly slower as it stays sputters undermine ranged combat that being said I feel like we're reaching a point where kiel may have to eventually just rework mobs to deal with ranged combat like giving pigs the wild boar charge or something.

that would be really cool and another nice form of balancing range combat but with the combat we have right know range damage feels dumb and boring

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ShadowDuelist    9247
1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

 

I don't really see in issue of it just being either the same speed as Wanda's weapon or slightly slower as it stays sputters undermine ranged combat that being said I feel like we're reaching a point where kiel may have to eventually just rework mobs to deal with ranged combat like giving pigs the wild boar charge or something.

It's not just the damage, Walter has crowd control pellets that are extremely niche and hard to find a use for due to being sort of expensive (slow pellets mostly) and that hitting a bunch of enemies with it takes too long to make it useful, in that same time you'd just do much better dealing damage. That's why I often suggest a small AOE on hit of slow and freezing pellets, but even without that, I think an increase in the attack speed would still do wonders to the slingshot as a weapon and to Walter as the "true" ranged character.

An alternative as ArubaroBeefalo said is to just increase the damage by a ton, while keeping the slow attack rate, increasing DPS by careful aimed shots. That would work great for damage pellets, but wouldn't help crowd control pellets and still keep them in the darkness.

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ArubaroBeefalo    11022
7 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

That would work great for damage pellets, but wouldn't help crowd control pellets and still keep them in the darkness

i think having high damage pellets but with needed skill (not just F cheesing) like timing or needing to aim to reward good performance and faster crowd control pellets (or aoe as you suggest) would be a great balance and will have sense. You need more time and force to shot a heavy hit and you can gatling magic rounds to get the effect

also they can do that the more you press F the stronger and longer distance the pellet can go, spaming F will do little damage and short distance but will be a bullet hell for the enemy. This can work too for the aoe rounds, aoe explosion if you keep pressing F or fast shots when there is many enemies by spaming F

also they could make the round recipes cheaper to make daily slingshot less of a waste

 

edit: actually i was so disappointed when i try the character and notice that the slingshot didnt have any deep or interesting mechanic, is just pressing F with different rounds of already existing effects (except the poop one)

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Mysterious box    1097

 

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i think having high damage pellets but with needed skill (not just F cheesing) like timing or needing to aim to reward good performance and faster crowd control pellets (or aoe as you suggest) would be a great balance and will have sense. You need more time and force to shot a heavy hit and you can gatling magic rounds to get the effect

also they can do that the more you press F the stronger and longer distance the pellet can go, spaming F will do little damage and short distance but will be a bullet hell for the enemy. This can work too for the aoe rounds, aoe explosion if you keep pressing F or fast shots when there is many enemies by spaming F

also they could make the round recipes cheaper to make daily slingshot less of a waste

To be fair he has a point tho unles they change or make them aoe based his crowd control pellets are useless for example freeze rounds have twice the power but half the uses as a ice staff which sounds good on paper but means your wasting a shot on any monster who needs a uneven amount of hits to freeze.

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sinisterrkid    1790
9 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

andin terms of raw damage Wurt and her super army can deal a lot more damage.

YESSSS. 100% this. The other day I was talking about how strange it is that Wortox and Wanda caused the most controversy upon release, when it is Wurt who has a personal army and Warly can double the whole team's damage. And both are fine.

(And the most fun characters before Wanda came out, IMO)

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ArubaroBeefalo    11022
9 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Yes. Certainly her constant aging isn't a hard-enough con. For "forever alone" solo players in their abundance 5k+ in-game days world started when DST was beta. And their 200+ Scaled Chests full of Thulecite, rare Gems, Tusks and whatnot. Have I written something about console-commands too, Creative Worlds and the like? SHHHH, let's not decent into further lunacy! You know, the type of player that's most vocal in KLei forums and even in polls admits the above meme, with certain dissonance pride. Life in the wild, with only-but a deflated ball.

and that users atleast tried her, imagine having people with 1 min playing time as her complaining about having a <20hp heal every minute per slot is op or others just imaginating impossible scenarios where wanda does console commands like stuff, reviving with her clocks to prevent frutration on players that died and someone stole their expensive items only useable by wanda

3 minutes ago, sinisterrkid said:

YESSSS. 100% this. The other day I was talking about how strange it is that Wortox and Wanda caused the most controversy upon release, when it is Wurt who has a personal army and Warly can double the whole team's damage. And both are fine.

(And the most fun characters before Wanda came out, IMO)

wanda op but wurt appears at dragonfly with 30 merms from the swamp

 

edit: better yet, wanda op but wendy has strong cons because has to help pipspooks

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