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Mike23Ua    11248
3 minutes ago, Well-met said:

95% chance they'll simply pull another Wigfrid

But.. Wes.

I think Wigfrid got a rotten Deal & Klei learned from that.. Wes Rework was AWESOME.

Also I’m pretty sure Wigfrids rework was rushed during a time of uncertainty (Covid delays, worries etc..) I still have hope they’ll go back to her and give her some touch ups someday but let’s get the entire cast reworked first- focus on small touch ups later.

Wolfgang is getting the rework BEFORE Wickerbottom.. who already saw a NERF when RWYS became a thing..

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Mike23Ua    11248
1 minute ago, Szczuku said:

Mighty Wolfgang can clap his cheeks so hard he creates an AoE shockwave that deals damage

Like a Donkey Kong Thunder Clap? That Could work.. honestly.. :lol:

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Erineyes7    699
1 hour ago, Well-met said:

95% chance they'll simply pull another Wigfrid

Unlikely, Wolfgang is quite a bland but strong character, He also has never been much of a team player unlike Wigfrid who can make helmets and spears.

I think they'll add some kind of quota to reach full mightiness besides eating, probably something to do with weights that can also buff teammates.

They'll defiantly make his downside much more interesting, maybe buffing all shadows against him, that would be fun.

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Well-met    6213
17 minutes ago, Erineyes7 said:

Unlikely, Wolfgang is quite a bland but strong character, He also has never been much of a team player unlike Wigfrid who can make helmets and spears.

I think they'll add some kind of quota to reach full mightiness besides eating, probably something to do with weights that can also buff teammates.

They'll defiantly make his downside much more interesting, maybe buffing all shadows against him, that would be fun.

that's exactly what I meant by "pulling a wig"

they won't touch his core but they will give him new team based powers

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Dextops    1735
Just now, Well-met said:

that's exactly what I meant by "pulling a wig"

they won't touch his core but they will give him new team based powers

good

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Mike23Ua    11248
1 minute ago, Well-met said:

that's exactly what I meant by "pulling a wig"

they won't touch his core but they will give him new team based powers

I’m 150% certain they will give him a fun (but manageable) downside. If they don’t.. I’ve lost all faith in Klei.

I say this because they were able to give WES actual useful team perks and some decent utility in his own rights, while at the exact same time making him a little more challenging by having enemies aggro on him more often and having lightning/meteors target him first.

Wes is actually useful now, and even though is proclaimed as the “Challenge Character” Challenge is entirely subjective to what the player plans to do with the character.

Sure maybe fighting bosses would be challenging as Wes- But for fast early- day resource gathering he can do that quicker then any character in the game with as little as a speedy balloon.

Wolfgang just moving faster and hitting harder is stupid.. I don’t even think muscle bound strongmen move faster- usually they move slower but hit harder. Why does he have a Wurt/Webber/Wormwood speed buff to begin with?

Instead what I would LIKE is more focus on his Strongman abilities such as for example.. being able to pick up and carry the boulders And statues etc without movement speed penalty, being able to still hit hard (maybe even harder) Being able to Merm Punch Boulders and trees to save tools use.

Heck who knows- Maybe his Strength could be used to pull Grass and Saplings straight out the ground without even needing to craft a shovel first.

But before he can get ANY OF THAT just eating food to gain all that power HAS to take a hard nerf.

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Cheggf    4237
2 hours ago, Erineyes7 said:

I think they'll add some kind of quota to reach full mightiness besides eating, probably something to do with weights that can also buff teammates.

They'll defiantly make his downside much more interesting, maybe buffing all shadows against him, that would be fun.

Has a single rework ever given characters more downsides other than Wes'?

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Maybe give Wolfgang a strength meter or something instead of basing his mightyness on only food. And the man obviously needs a barbell to work out with since it's his signature piece of equipment in the character picture. Or maybe he needs foods with a lot of protein to become mighty lol you can't bulk on that much muscle on a diet of honey and mushrooms alone you need real meals. But that would prob be too much like Warly.
Don't listen to me i have no idea what i'm talking about lol just speculating. I trust Klei will do these last refreshes justice

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Erineyes7    699
7 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Has a single rework ever given characters more downsides other than Wes'?

So far Characters who've gotten reworks haven't really needed new revamped downsides.

Wendy has lower damage

Willow is hurt by the cold, and low sanity

Wigfrid can't eat meat

and so on...

The "big three" have never really had potent downsides, that's where most people have problems with their balance, so it would make sense to give them something more meaningful

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3 hours ago, Szczuku said:

Mighty Wolfgang can clap his cheeks so hard he creates an AoE shockwave that deals damage

Becomes Thor the god of thunder while mighty and deals 10x more damage with hammers. Also deals lightning with them (has a cooldown) but can hammer WX with it to reliably overcharge him at the cost of health. Imagine lol.
Edit can obvs hammer stuff in 1 hit and i think you meant clap his hands not cheeks haha

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Cheggf    4237
5 minutes ago, Erineyes7 said:

So far Characters who've gotten reworks haven't really needed new revamped downsides.

Wendy has lower damage

Willow is hurt by the cold, and low sanity

Wigfrid can't eat meat

and so on...

Consuming 1.5-3x as much food as everyone else is a way bigger downside than taking slightly longer to fight Crawling Horrors & Terrorbeaks, having a negligible and rather unnoticeable penalty to insulating clothing that's only present during the Winter and if you're using clothes instead of a thermal stone, and not being able to eat like three things.

5 minutes ago, Erineyes7 said:

The "big three" have never really had potent downsides, that's where most people have problems with their balance, so it would make sense to give them something more meaningful

"Most people" (citation needed) have problem with their balance for the same reason you do: they saw someone else see someone else see someone else see someone else see someone else say that they're overpowered based on a huge misunderstanding of the characters and game overall. Wolfgang isn't a particularly good character and WX is pretty bad. Only Wickerbottom of "the big three" is anywhere close to as powerful as people like to pretend they all are.

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Blaze-    17
3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m 150% certain they will give him a fun (but manageable) downside. If they don’t.. I’ve lost all faith in Klei.

I say this because they were able to give WES actual useful team perks and some decent utility in his own rights, while at the exact same time making him a little more challenging by having enemies aggro on him more often and having lightning/meteors target him first.

Wes is actually useful now, and even though is proclaimed as the “Challenge Character” Challenge is entirely subjective to what the player plans to do with the character.

Sure maybe fighting bosses would be challenging as Wes- But for fast early- day resource gathering he can do that quicker then any character in the game with as little as a speedy balloon.

Wolfgang just moving faster and hitting harder is stupid.. I don’t even think muscle bound strongmen move faster- usually they move slower but hit harder. Why does he have a Wurt/Webber/Wormwood speed buff to begin with?

Instead what I would LIKE is more focus on his Strongman abilities such as for example.. being able to pick up and carry the boulders And statues etc without movement speed penalty, being able to still hit hard (maybe even harder) Being able to Merm Punch Boulders and trees to save tools use.

Heck who knows- Maybe his Strength could be used to pull Grass and Saplings straight out the ground without even needing to craft a shovel first.

But before he can get ANY OF THAT just eating food to gain all that power HAS to take a hard nerf.

This is what you want wolfgang to be but I'm sure the rest of the community doesn't think alike( that he should be nerfed) nor do they want him changed to such a serious degree. He is portrayed as being a 'strongman', an athlete so his muscles are much stronger which justifies his speed and strength boost lorewise, so how is any of this stupid? He is meant to be the pinnacle of physical prowess, speed & strength.

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being able to pick up and carry the boulders And statues etc without movement speed penalty, being able to still hit hard (maybe even harder) Being able to Merm Punch Boulders and trees to save tools use.

That would mean changing him completely, what you describe is turning him into a base decorator, wood & rocks farmer merm( which is pointless because there are multiple characters who do that already and do it better) The whole point is in making each character specialised in a certain niche, and wolfgang was and is specialised in dealing more damage and being combat oriented.

While I like reworks, if wolfgang gets one it shouldn't change his character formula but it should improve the already existing mechanics and the 3 forms with situational abilities like how woodie is. Or they could further develop his downside and give him a fear meter which changes the amount of damage he does based on the level of fear, he could get frightened and deal only 0.5x dmg or while the meter is empty he deals 2x dmg. That would take away his advantage of having full 2x damage for long fights as his fear meter will get filled up. And since he is scared of night and that should affect his fear meter he would be forced to fight at daytime for maximum damage in contrast to abi(without elixir).

And you really make wolfgang seem too overpowered as if his hunger meter or the normal & wimpy forms don't exist. I suggest you play on non-endless pubs for a while with him then you will learn more about him as a character. He is very situational and very combat oriented. Maybe for you its boring, but then again not every character needs their own crafting tab or followers to be cool.

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As a WENDY MAIN

As a Wendy main don't you agree she is overpowered, and much better in almost any situation than Wolfgang? He is good at speedruns and bosses I'll give him that but in terms of doing any other activity she is certainly better, and doesn't even need to lift a finger if abi murders everything, so you never feel her downside + there's petal buff. While Wolfgang needs constant hunger micromanagement to keep him in mighty form. I'm also a Wendy main btw

Wolfgang is just like communism, they both look good on paper but in practice they're very different. And both love potatoes:))

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Dextops    1735
12 minutes ago, DarkPulse91 said:

When he is a reason to not play any other character because he can apparently do <blank> better,

this literally only applies to combat characters which he is designed to be the STRONG MAN why make him weaker i see no point i would much rather make him more interesting and nerfing isn't the way to go about it

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