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Eye of the Storm Lore and Them [An analysis of the new beta's lore and the new information on Them]

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Grim the    590

Wow Scypham, this is very extensive!

I always thought alter was some sort of intentional misspelling, I never thought it could be the- lunar metheus?

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VouMorrer    380

that is a very good thread, thank you!

dont forget we still have the sealed portal, i doubt it will remain without purpose.

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LinknAllie    672

I hope Wagstaff is after the throne now.  Since that means there is a possibility he's playable similar to what happened to Maxwell in the all's well that's Maxwell update. But I doubt that's the way KLEI is gonna take the story

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Scypham    313

One thing I forgot to mention! After you defeat the Celestial Champion, the Celestial Orb also gets access to all the celestial crafting recipes and emits light when it's active (I believe the stations also get access to the orb's recipes but I could be wrong there). On top of that given how the Lunar Siphonator was build, it's likely that it was siphoning energy from both the Mysterious Energy as well as the Celestial Orb. Given that its prefab name is 'moonrockseed' and the fact the champion only came down when we added the Celestial Orb and completed the structure, if my theory about Alter is correct then it's possible that the Celestial Orb is a literal seed that has the potential to either become a vessel for Alter or become another weaker version of Alter entirely. But again, that's just a theory and I don't have much to support it. It just seems likely that it'll be used again sometime in the future as a result given the attention it garnered from the moon.

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Pcwer    0

What if Wortox's mother is one of them? It's a stretch but we do know he arrived through the gateway.

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minespatch    84282
4 hours ago, Scypham said:

WX = "YOU" , "DON'T TRUST HIM, SISTER. DON'T EVER TRUST HIM"

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???? Who's the sister? Winona?:wilson_shocked:

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Rhovious Aran    695

Thanks a lot for the post. I really enjoyed reading this. Testing all the new stuff today, I found myself a bit frustrated for how I felt not many of my questions were answered and I rather found myself with many more new questions. This beautiful post put my mind a bit at ease. Thanks <3

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Maximum124    1409
2 hours ago, DaZoul said:

I'm not sure, but I think WX is supposed to be talking to the machine Wagstaff is building. He calls other machines family, like the Science Machine Mother, but that's just my guess 

100% sure its the machine, what did you DO to WX wagstaff??

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Bluegeist    1854

Nice theories and also appreciating the series of events laid out here, it's hard to figure out what to do first lol :3

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oCrapaCreeper    3278

The question of "what is Them?" has always been seemingly up in the air. The only insight we have ever really gotten so far about Them is Maxwell's dialogue at the end of Adventure mode in the original singleplayer game:

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 "Is this how it ends?"
"Forgive me if I don't get up."
"You've been an interesting plaything, but I've grown tired of this game."
"Or maybe They've grown tired of me."
"Heh. Took them long enough."
"They'll show you terrible, beautiful things."
"It's best not to fight it."
"There wasn't much here when I showed up."
"Just dust. And the Void. And Them."
"I've learned so much since then. I've built so much."
"But even a King is bound to the board."
"You can't change the rules of the game."
"I don't know what they want. They... they just watch."
"Unless you get too close... Then..."
"Well, there's a reason I stay so dapper."
"What year is it out there? Time moves differently here."
"Go on, stay a while. Keep us company."
"Or put the key in the box. It's your decision."
"Either way, you're just delaying the inevitable."
"Reality is like that, sometimes."
"I think I've said enough."

From what he said there, I've always thought Maxwell was trying to say that the shadow creatures were "them". He is not sure what They want, but They are watching him all the time, and he has to stay dapper because Them.

Maybe that's where Kevin tried to go many years ago when he wrote those strings? Doesn't seem to be the case anymore if so. Maxwell in the original singleplayer game still thinks that a lantern "will keep Them away" despite the name of the update arc in DST implying they were not in the constant already or are an active threat.

Maybe once the ruins lore from the Metheus puzzle was conceived, they had a better idea of where they wanted to take things? I doubt everything was planned out since 2013. Maxwell's conflicting information about what existed in the world when he first showed up is a thing too.

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minespatch    84282
1 minute ago, Szczuku said:

And on the topic of the Gateway- Klei's yet to make a clear connection between gateway arc and RoT arc. We don't know if survivors arrived again in the Constant with Mumsy and Billy and that caused 'Moon' to drop a piece of itself down or if they arrived in some other dimension along the way.

We need bridging and those ornaments for the forge and Gorge aren't helping.:wilson_dorky:

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Mysterious box    547
21 hours ago, LinknAllie said:

I hope Wagstaff is after the throne now.  Since that means there is a possibility he's playable similar to what happened to Maxwell in the all's well that's Maxwell update. But I doubt that's the way KLEI is gonna take the story

I think wagstaff is more interested in stealing the powers of the shadow and light so I doubt he'd settle for the throne. He seems to have a large purpose in the story now so it's even more unlikely he'll be playable but you never know.

Edit: that being said I can't wait to see him and Charlie go at it.

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Cassielu    299

I looked back at some old things. The final update on ANR called "Heart of the Ruins" , ending as Charlie take away the shadow atrium from fulewaver. This time we got "Eye of the storm" update, ending as wagstaff taking magic power from champion, we didn't know what is that but the eye on clock moon icon obvious disappear. I take it can be regarded as a sign that wagstaff has"taken the eye away". 

They are collecting something.

 

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Something to note about activating the Celestial Energy: The moon dial glasses over and has an eye design in it.
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And the characters all have something to note about this, for example, Winona saying she can't help but feel someone's watching.
And another: Once the Champion is defeated, Wagstaff appears and steals what this Rose Appraiser will call the "Heart of the Moon."
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Once he takes it, the entire world goes dark until the day cycle finishes. Once that happens, 2 distinct changes occur: 1) the moon cycle begins again, starting with a new moon; 2) The moon icon become glassy, and seems to have no known effect as of the current update. This Rose Appraiser theorizes that in Wagstaff stealing the Heart, the Moon and Constant are no longer in a balance of sorts.

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WebberMain    214

I am really excited about all of this,but i still want to see the Shadow part of ROT update(if there ever be one).The Atrium lorewise needs a closure
IMO
Now to the lore.I can´t really decide if we have awaken the Moon,or enraged it.When it sends its champion,it is clearly enraged,but when we summon the mysterious energy,it clearly becomes more active,and i wonder why.Is the Mysterious energy a part from the Moon itself and we are reuniting them?What happened to the eye of the Moon?Why is it gone?Did the Moon being left the Moon,or is it just hiding,because it is weakened by us?
I really hope that from the moment the Moon goes dark(after defeating it´s champion) we will get an update focused on the shadow/ancient part once again.

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Zeklo    19759

Saw this quote in another thread and thought I'd share:

3 hours ago, minespatch said:

That last screencap does imply the gnaw from the gorge.

  In reference to this:

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It's a stretch, but it's certainly possible.

So that got me looking at the other things in the gateway before it breaks—

We obviously know the eye.

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Good o' Shadow Entity.

So that got me thinking about this...

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Odd huh? Well it may actually match something else on the mural—

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One of the phases of the moon cycle.

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(if we rotate it at least)

Big stretch, but fun to think about. Just thought that was an interesting possibility that aligns with what you got here.

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ArubaroBeefalo    8442
8 minutes ago, Zeklo said:

Saw this quote in another thread and thought I'd share:

  In reference to this:

image.png.6cd919668465c6e9f52c269da62a5d3a.png

It's a stretch, but it's certainly possible.

So that got me looking at the other things in the gateway before it breaks—

We obviously know the eye.

image.png.2b6e688a9caa6890ce32a6fa88db1f04.png

Good o' Shadow Entity.

So that got me thinking about this...

image.png.ece6d8fcd755d890048ecdafdc14a37d.png

Odd huh? Well it may actually match something else on the mural—

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One of the phases of the moon cycle.

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(if we rotate it at least)

Big stretch, but fun to think about. Just thought that was an interesting possibility that aligns with what you got here.

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ancient herald has that symbol too

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Zeklo    19759
7 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

ancient herald has that symbol too

Good catch.

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Was looking back at old stuff, and yeah the symbol literally means moon.
Man, I need to have this in an easier place to reference.

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WebberMain    214
32 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

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ancient herald has that symbol too

And ancient heralds AoE attack resembles the shadow eye too!

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