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Mike23Ua    10117
10 minutes ago, OmeletteBoy said:

By saying "tencent bought a majority stake" it means that they own more than 50% of the company or the resources of the company, meaning they have control over what happens in it.

That’s not entirely true, they don’t have any say over Klei’s ip’s and creative decisions from my understanding of it: It’s like they’re burrowing money from Tencent to do things that they could not have before. Tencents Stake is expecting whatever the outcome of loaning those resources to Klei to pay off and Klei can pay them back.

Sure Tencent could demand doing things this way or that way or they’ll pull their resources but thats a pretty extreme scenario, It’s not the same thing as studio “Acquisition” meaning they have final say over any and everything Klei does rather Klei likes it or not.

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OmeletteBoy    79
3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

That’s not entirely true, they don’t have any say over Klei’s ip’s and creative decisions from my understanding of it: It’s like they’re burrowing money from Tencent to do things that they could have before. Tencents Stake is expecting whatever the outcome of loaning those resources to Klei to pay off and Klei can pay them back.

Sure Tencent could demand doing things this way or that way or they’ll pull their resources but thats a pretty extreme scenario, It’s not the same thing as studio “Acquisition” meaning they have final say over any and everything Klei does rather Klei likes it or not.

I was afraid you were going to bring this point, yes, i forgot to state that KLei still has control over their IPs and creative part of the company, but for the rest, Tencent is who's boss as they own more of KLei than KLei themselves

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Mike23Ua    10117
2 minutes ago, OmeletteBoy said:

I was afraid you were going to bring this point, yes, i forgot to state that KLei still has control over their IPs and creative part of the company, but for the rest, Tencent is who's boss as they own more of KLei than KLei themselves

If that were true, I would have a game update tommorow and Tencents logo would be on the starting screen of the game, but I doubt the game will ever even get a Tencent logo outside of the China version that was already created in collaboration with Tencent.

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OmeletteBoy    79
7 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

If that were true, I would have a game update tommorow and Tencents logo would be on the starting screen of the game, but I doubt the game will ever even get a Tencent logo outside of the China version that was already created in collaboration with Tencent.

I don't understand this, i'm not saying anything false, the definition of adquiring a majority stake is to have over 50% of a property

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Mike23Ua    10117
4 minutes ago, OmeletteBoy said:

I don't understand this, i'm not saying anything false, the definition of adquiring a majority stake is to have over 50% of a property

I will try to explain, Tencent has been doing dealings with Klei since the start of DST, they helped distribute the DST through China, way back in 2016 if Tencent holds no ownership over any of Klei’s IP’s then they only own the Klei name.. and not the games and brands under that name.

So the worst that can happen is they’ll try to force Klei to do things they don’t want to do, then Klei will separate and with a little luck: Rebrand later.

They wouldn’t be Klei anymore obviously... but they would still be the people behind Klei with 15 years of experience between them to make themselves known again.

I highly doubt Klei would just willingly handover their entire studio without having an exit strategy should things go poorly.

But we will just have to wait and see, I’m trusting Klei to know what they’re doing.

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Farlan    206
2 hours ago, Pindeh said:

I think we can all agree that, if this goes downhill, we should pressure Klei to leave Tencent. Sure, they're a business, but they still listen the fans despite some dubious choices. 

Klei is a business trying to earn money, the community can complain and whine all they want, but I don't think much can be done, unfortunately. 

We'd just be clowns, honking our sad little clown noses, at a brick wall. 

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DST_LSJ    1545
1 hour ago, 4 Da LOLs said:

ok then why don't you look inwards and look why we are not okay with our money being sent to helping genocide?

Do you think genocide is good and justified? I genuinely want to know.

 

1 hour ago, 4 Da LOLs said:

also you have still not addressed my previous rebuttal

I did not intend to change your opinion about that pay for money to Tencent means sent to helping genocide. This view of yours only comes from politically inclined media and subjective assumptions. This is a prejudice.

You are talking about genocide as a disaster on the Indian land that was occupied hundreds of years ago. Europeans in the early 20th century had prejudices against Jews. With the help of most Europeans, the Nazis sent the Jews into concentration camps. Europeans at that time generally supported the genocide of Jews. In this case, the Chinese took in Jews as partners in northern China. Now you firmly believe that the Chinese government is carrying out genocide.

Sorry, I only communicate with honest people. Now You don't need to reply to me again.

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Frosty_Mentos    1477

Honestly, I won't be able to believe in Klei as much as before if it will be about Tencent cause, clearly, it's coming from Tencent's mouth rather than theirs.

I hate to say it, but, I still wanna keep my respect to Klei for their work, even if this deal they did really questions the ethics of it all. Besides that, I'm not sure if they were pressured after seeing a DS mobile game copy being made to think that it might steal their Chinese players, but I doubt in this thought since there's a lotta DST players from there too.

The idea of WHY they did this is what really boggles me, I don't know what was their position but I thought they were at a comfortable spot where they were. But maybe they're trying to expand and the lack of resources and risky ideas might frighten to them, like relaunch gorge or forge, so they might have a more permanent solution if they work with Tencent.

Still, this is a big question for the community on Klei's morale of their business. We've seen them so far being, assumingly, honest to us as a community, but we still gotta keep in fact that they are a business, and they'll do in their best interest to get out there into the world and start expanding.

I can assume that DST might get much bigger as a game and community if this transfer of power, or just investment, works out well for them and us. Maybe we'll be able to have more gamemodes or worlds, a lot of more content to the game in general. Well, we can only hope that's the case, otherwise if not - why do we need to care about any of that besides feeling concerned for ourselves, our wallets and Klei's future of how'll we view them from now on?

If of all things, I would rather want to know what made this choice they did thinking we'll view this positively in any way, shape or form? Yea yea, I get the whole thing about finances... but, Klei, are you saying that you're actually struggling with the finances of hiring employees or that your workers? I wanna say I doubt it, since you've said you've given away millions to charities, but it feels a bit bull crap in some ways. As I said, if you're doing this to expand your company to get bigger, then I can understand that much, and so you've should have stated that without me putting my words here in text.

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Handsome_Jack    234

Tencent is trash. So sad  i expected this after they did very anticonsumer making a game exclusive to the very poopoo epic games store so this was to be expecting of them.

 

return of the tencent update is now complete very sad sad sad sad sad

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OmeletteBoy    79
30 minutes ago, DST_LSJ said:

 

I did not intend to change your opinion about that pay for money to Tencent means sent to helping genocide. This view of yours only comes from politically inclined media and subjective assumptions. This is a prejudice.

You are talking about genocide as a disaster on the Indian land that was occupied hundreds of years ago. Europeans in the early 20th century had prejudices against Jews. With the help of most Europeans, the Nazis sent the Jews into concentration camps. Europeans at that time generally supported the genocide of Jews. In this case, the Chinese took in Jews as partners in northern China. Now you firmly believe that the Chinese government is carrying out genocide.

Sorry, I only communicate with honest people. Now You don't need to reply to me again.

I don't know in what world you live in but those things happened years ago, and even though they were terrible, most people changed and dealt with this stuff, but in the other hand there's the CCP who continues to make this horrible acts, taking money from their chinese corporations and using it to fund genocides that still happen to this day. If you still don't believe me just look for it, there are news of genocides that happened only a few months ago and are likely to happen again.

I don't know about you but i don't find funding genocides as something ok.

 

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Frosty_Mentos    1477
1 minute ago, BaloneyOs said:

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We can blame them for greed as much as we want, but it's hard to tell since they never seem that greedy in the first place.

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chirsg    567

I don't want to sleuth through the forums, so in short or quotes or tl;dr, why didn't klei go public?

I would have probably bought shares regularly 

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4 Da LOLs    3738

I know its a little late. can we remove the prejudice of the past and start anew?

I wish we could just start asking good faith questions rather then attacking each other so we can better understand each other?

14 hours ago, DST_LSJ said:

Sorry, I only communicate with honest people. Now You don't need to reply to me again.

I am interested in what you think in order to better my understanding. I hope to put aside this bad foot forward and have a genuine good faith chat we could even do it in PMs if you desire.

I hope we can get some actual headway in understanding what each of us think I am going to ask earnest questions about your beliefs so I can better understand why rather then refute or try to disprove, is that okay with you?

14 hours ago, DST_LSJ said:

You are talking about genocide as a disaster on the Indian land that was occupied hundreds of years ago. Europeans in the early 20th century had prejudices against Jews. With the help of most Europeans, the Nazis sent the Jews into concentration camps. Europeans at that time generally supported the genocide of Jews.

yeah genocide is morally wrong we agree so this is common ground for us to work off of.

 

14 hours ago, DST_LSJ said:

the Chinese took in Jews as partners in northern China. Now you firmly believe that the Chinese government is carrying out genocide.

you thought I was talking about Jewish people being victims of genocide in China?

not to be rude but that is what this looks to be saying so I ask politely for further elaboration into this point so I can completely understand what you mean.

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