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Mr.Fun    6

This happens because small Woby has 50 hunger, so 3 monster meats almost fill her belly so she transforms into big Woby. When that happens tho her belly goes up to 300, thats why u need to feed her this huge amount of monster meat.

I feel like she need some kind of a buff, it's a complete waste to feed her after the transormation.

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Squirrel12    440

I wish they had tested Walter with audiences before releasing him and making a really expensive animation for him.

The dog shouldn't be part of his character. It feels like a "pet mod". They should have just made Walter a boy scout with a slingshot. That's it. Less is more sometimes. 

But unless Klei makes a new animation where they kill off the dog...The dog is unfortunately here to stay and that's disappointing. 

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sudoku    373

I'm not really in favor of buffing Woby even more as I think he is already strong enough. A good example of other characters who have character specific gear that is good early game but fall off late is Wigfrid and her spears, Woodlegs and his Sealegs, Willow and her lighter. Plus Woby will never truly fall off in the same way as he is 9 free inventory slots which I think honestly should be nerfed to half as it's silly imo to have the same amount of storage as chester.

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Picklesaurus    180
26 minutes ago, Mr.Fun said:

This happens because small Woby has 50 hunger, so 3 monster meats almost fill her belly so she transforms into big Woby. When that happens tho her belly goes up to 300, thats why u need to feed her this huge amount of monster meat.

I feel like she need some kind of a buff, it's a complete waste to feed her after the transormation.

Oh, this data about their stomach size is interesting, I had suspected it was something related to this.
It's a shame Big Woby gets completely outclassed by a walking cane in terms of mobility - the cane doesn't need monster meat  and always gives you a high speed. It also boders me that Big Woby has no eating animation, even beefalos have one. Nor does she have a way to tell us when she's hungry.

 

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Bellium    139

Yeah the interaction between Transforming Woby and keeping her transformed feels very counter intuitive. There's just a period where there's no point in ridding her since she's so slow, but since feeding her while in her big for is so inefficient, you just leave her be like that till she turns small again and you feed her again. Either make small Woby require more meat or big Woby require less, a mixture of both is probably best tbh. There should be more incentive with "getting the ball rolling" on big Woby and keeping her like that while you need her like that, as opposed to just letting her starve out like we have now.

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Well-met    2522

There's code for hunger scale already built in the game. Klei could easily make 3 monster meat refill Woby accordingly even with 300 hunger points.

And make her saddlable to fix the speed issues.

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Cr4zyFl4mes    64
23 minutes ago, themightyone said:

Feels like Woby should go as fast as a default beefalo with a normal saddle on it , imo. 

And imo should stay the same speed while big. She doesn't have to last 12 minutes, 1 day is enough, but no slowing penalty please.

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themightyone    160
18 minutes ago, Cr4zyFl4mes said:

And imo should stay the same speed while big. She doesn't have to last 12 minutes, 1 day is enough, but no slowing penalty please.

Yes , the slowing down before changing to small is lame.  And 1 day seems about right for big mode

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Squirrel12    440
2 hours ago, Squirrel12 said:

I wish they had tested Walter with audiences before releasing him and making a really expensive animation for him.

The dog shouldn't be part of his character. It feels like a "pet mod". They should have just made Walter a boy scout with a slingshot. That's it. Less is more sometimes. 

But unless Klei makes a new animation where they kill off the dog...The dog is unfortunately here to stay and that's disappointing. 

I think people are misinterpreting this...

The problem with the animated shorts, is that it's sorta of a "no turning back" kinda situation. That's all I'm trying to say.

The dog, no matter how bad, unnecessary or badly designed it is, will always be part of Walter in the future...Because it's in the short. If no animated short existed, there was a chance for the the developers to reconsider and possibly get rid of Woby. 

So please stop "Confuse" reacting me XD

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FreyaMaluk    5254
26 minutes ago, CarlZalph said:

I crunched some numbers here [before patch 416585]:
 

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1 monster meat = CALORIES_MEDSMALL = calories_per_day/4 = 75/4 = 18.75
1 monster lasagna = CALORIES_LARGE = calories_per_day/2 = 75/2 = 37.5
    2 monster meat, 2 filler [Do not use, this is effectively the same as 2 MM alone for Woby]
1 monster tartare = CALORIES_SMALL * 5 = (calories_per_day/6) * 5 = (75/6)*5 = 62.5
    2 monster meat, 2 filler [WARLY ONLY]
WOBY_SMALL_HUNGER = 50
WOBY_SMALL_HUNGER_RATE = 50 / (total_day_time * 1.5) = 50 / (30*16 * 1.5) = 0.06944444444444444444444444444444
WOBY_BIG_HUNGER = calories_per_day*4 = 75*4 = 300
WOBY_BIG_HUNGER_RATE = (calories_per_day*4)/(total_day_time * 1.5) = (75*4)/(30*16 * 1.5) = 0.41666666666666666666666666666667

                                                 |                Ratios
          | Monster | Monster |                  |      No Road     .    With Road
  Hunger  | Meat    | Tartare | Duration | Speed | No Cane . Cane   | No Cane . Cane
----------+---------+---------+----------+-------+---------+--------+---------+-------
[210,300] | 4.8     | 1.44    | 216s     | 8     | +33.3%  | +06.6% | +02.5%  | -17.9%
[099,210) | 5.92    | 1.776   | 266.4s   | 7     | +16.6%  | -07.1% | -10.2%  | -28.2%
(000,099) | 5.28    | 1.584   | 237.6s   | 5.5   | -08.3%  | -26.6% | -29.4%  | -56.4%

Most efficient to keep 8 speed, after Woby gets big feed her:
    1 Monster Tartare every 150s
    4 Monster Meats every 180s
Most efficient to keep 7+ speed, after Woby gets big feed her:
    3 Monster Tartares or 10 Monster Meats every 450s

3 Monster Meat = 482.4s of 7+ speed, with 237.6s downtime

So to maintain that 8 speed, every 180s that's 4 MM down.  If you have a Warly, then it reduces it a bit and makes it less of a hair puller each time you have to refeed Woby.

 

The ratios table shows that if you're following a road, then you'll outrun Woby if she's not at the highest tier for hunger levels.

Likewise once you have a cane, then Woby is only faster if you're offroad.

 

Ultimately use Woby for offroad travel like a beefalo and to move statues and other heavy objects.  3 MM to do with a 4MM/180s upkeep is cheap late game.

For early game I'd recommend sticking to roads for exploring as the main goal then is to find the biome layouts.  Can then use big to fill out the rest of the map by going along the border.

 

Revised for patch 416585, specifically: `Adjusted Woby’s speed and hunger in big form.`


1 monster meat = CALORIES_MEDSMALL = calories_per_day/4 = 75/4 = 18.75
1 monster lasagna = CALORIES_LARGE = calories_per_day/2 = 75/2 = 37.5
    2 monster meat, 2 filler [Do not use, this is effectively the same as 2 MM alone for Woby]
1 monster tartare = CALORIES_SMALL * 5 = (calories_per_day/6) * 5 = (75/6)*5 = 62.5
    2 monster meat, 2 filler [WARLY ONLY]
WOBY_SMALL_HUNGER = 50
WOBY_SMALL_HUNGER_RATE = 50 / (total_day_time * 2.5) = 50 / (30*16 * 2.5) = 0.04166666666666666666666666666667
WOBY_BIG_HUNGER = 50
WOBY_BIG_HUNGER_RATE = 50/(total_day_time * 2.5) = 50 / (30*16 * 2.5) = 0.04166666666666666666666666666667

                                                   |                Ratios
            | Monster | Monster |                  |      No Road     .    With Road
  Hunger    | Meat    | Tartare | Duration | Speed | No Cane . Cane   | No Cane . Cane
------------+---------+---------+----------+-------+---------+--------+---------+-------
[  35,  50] | 4.8     | 1.44    | 360s     | 10    | +66.6%  | +33.3% | +28.2%  | +02.5%
[16.5,  35) | 5.92    | 1.776   | 444s     | 9     | +50.0%  | +20.0% | +15.3%  | -07.6%
(   0,16.5) | 5.28    | 1.584   | 396s     | 8     | +33.3%  | +06.6% | +02.5%  | -17.9%

Most efficient to keep 10 speed, after Woby gets big feed her:
    1 Monster Meat every 360s

3 Monster Meat = 1200s of 8+ speed, with 0s downtime

It's really good.

wow the speed fix is really amazing. ty for the math

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Picklesaurus    180

@CarlZalph I don't know what was quickest, the fix or you revising the numbers.
Also, Thank you for contributing to this discussion, I've seen some of your posts in the past and I've always found you inteligent/smart.
This data is amazing for someone like me that doesn't know how to access it.

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Bellium    139
44 minutes ago, CarlZalph said:


 

Revised for patch 416585, specifically: `Adjusted Woby’s speed and hunger in big form.`


1 monster meat = CALORIES_MEDSMALL = calories_per_day/4 = 75/4 = 18.75
1 monster lasagna = CALORIES_LARGE = calories_per_day/2 = 75/2 = 37.5
    2 monster meat, 2 filler [Do not use, this is effectively the same as 2 MM alone for Woby]
1 monster tartare = CALORIES_SMALL * 5 = (calories_per_day/6) * 5 = (75/6)*5 = 62.5
    2 monster meat, 2 filler [WARLY ONLY]
WOBY_SMALL_HUNGER = 50
WOBY_SMALL_HUNGER_RATE = 50 / (total_day_time * 2.5) = 50 / (30*16 * 2.5) = 0.04166666666666666666666666666667
WOBY_BIG_HUNGER = 50
WOBY_BIG_HUNGER_RATE = 50/(total_day_time * 2.5) = 50 / (30*16 * 2.5) = 0.04166666666666666666666666666667

                                                   |                Ratios
            | Monster | Monster |                  |      No Road     .    With Road
  Hunger    | Meat    | Tartare | Duration | Speed | No Cane . Cane   | No Cane . Cane
------------+---------+---------+----------+-------+---------+--------+---------+-------
[  35,  50] | 4.8     | 1.44    | 360s     | 10    | +66.6%  | +33.3% | +28.2%  | +02.5%
[16.5,  35) | 5.92    | 1.776   | 444s     | 9     | +50.0%  | +20.0% | +15.3%  | -07.6%
(   0,16.5) | 5.28    | 1.584   | 396s     | 8     | +33.3%  | +06.6% | +02.5%  | -17.9%

Most efficient to keep 10 speed, after Woby gets big feed her:
    1 Monster Meat every 360s

3 Monster Meat = 1200s of 8+ speed, with 0s downtime

It's really good.

Wow, new big Woby feels like such a perk now compared to her previous speeds! Glad Klei took on the feedback of her just getting so much slower than the player, with such a high hunger cost, to be a little ridiculous. I can finally fulfil my dream of riding Woby into battle slingshot in hand

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Squirrel12    440
3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

free character

I'm referring to how expensive it must be for Klei to make these animations.

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