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Time Outside the Constant: A Don't Starve Shipwrecked Theory

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Rinkusan    1008

What started off as a simple investigation into a simple trinket turned into a short theory that I believe is an important first step to solving the entire Don't Starve timeline. For those who want the cut-and-dry point, skip to the "Get to the Point" section. I've been somewhat self-conscious about my inability to properly simplify the stuff I talk about lately, so if after reading this, many of the points still fly over your head, let me know and I'll provide as best a tl;dr as I can in a separate post. Without further ado, let's dive into the evidence.

License Plate

So to start off, let's talk about the license plate trinket; the item that started this investigation.
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On the surface, a license plate appearing in the Constant isn't all that interesting. Cars and license plates were a thing even before Maxwell got dragged into the Constant in 1906. What's unique about this license plate, however, is what's written on it: AYX-28. This is a huge clue with regard to tracking down where, but most importantly, WHEN the license plate came from; different countries throughout the course of history have had different license plate formats. I looked through a whole bunch of countries' license plates in the 1900s, and I was able to rule out almost all of them. Some countries like Kenya only had license plates that started with a K; some countries like Bolivia have numbers before the letters; other countries like the U.S. and Canada (especially Canada) had just numbers for a good chunk of their history, and in the U.S.'s case, even afterwards, the plates with letters were often inserted in-between the numbers.

The best candidate for "country having an ABC-12 license plate format in the 1900s" that I could find is the United Kingdom. Prior to 1932, the UK license plates were given 1-2 letters to represent the region and a number from 1-9999 to represent the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. issued license plate. For example, A-1 represents the 1st license plate ever issued in the city of London. From 1932 onward, the UK started running out of numbers and decided to add an arbitrary letter to their 1-2 letters, which went on for a few decades. In 1953, they started reversing the letters and numbers, and by 1963, most regions stopped issuing the 1932-style license plates.

The point I'm trying to make with all this information is that this trinket in Don't Starve Shipwrecked is a real-life 1932-style UK license plate. I also managed to track down what the actual region of this license plate is based on the first 2 letters of the license plate: it's a county called Leicestershire located in the dead center of England. While I've yet to uncover the relevance of this location to the Don't Starve world, I think it should be pretty clear what's so confusing about this revelation: what's a license plate CREATED roughly around 1932 (let alone the many years it must have taken to be attached onto a car, used by the person who owns that car, detached from said car through some kind of accident, and made its way into the archipelago that is Don't Starve Shipwrecked) doing in a DLC that many people believe shouldn't have taken place much longer after 1921?

Orange Soda

To make sure that this wasn't just a one-off case of presumed anachronism from Klei, I decided to investigate some of the other trinkets in Shipwrecked, notably the Orange Soda.

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Turns out the "anachronism" was surprisingly consistent. From my research, sodas weren't canned until 1940; before then, they were enjoyed in bottles. However, canned sodas in the 1940s were one of those cone-top cans which look like this.
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You can clearly see from the picture of the orange soda that it's a generic aluminum can with an opening tab, NOT a tin cone-top soda can. What type of opening tab this is, I can't say for sure just from looking; it could be a pull tab or a stay tab. The pull tab was invented in 1959 and marketed in 1962; the aluminum can was invented in 1957 and marketed in 1959. The stay tab, on the other hand, was invented a decade later in the 1970s. 

For those of you who are as skeptical of appearance-based evidence as I am, look no further than Wagstaff's quote on this trinket.
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Wagstaff confirms that there's a unique "opening device" on the soda can that he's never seen before. As someone who is confirmed to have been dragged into the Constant in 1919 during the Voxola factory incident 4 literal decades before the earliest tab's invention, it only makes sense that he's never seen a pull/stay tab before. Additionally, it also makes sense as to why he would assume that this was a tin can instead of an aluminum can; tin cans were mass-produced in the U.S. in 1901 while aluminum cans, as we discussed earlier, were invented in 1957.

Broken AAC Device

Another anachronistic trinket I noticed was the broken AAC device. For those who aren't aware, AAC stands for "Augmentative and Alternative Communication"; they're basically tools for the speech-impaired. AAC devices can either be non-electronic or electronic, and it should go without saying that based on the character quotes from Wagstaff/WX-78 regarding a made-up DR356X001 component and the physical appearance that this is undoubtedly an electronic AAC device. 
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More specifically, this looks like a dynamic AAC device (i.e. a touchscreen device that changes what's on the screen when you touch something on that screen). 
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As you can probably predict, this device was made many decades after Wilson's capture; the first of these dynamic AAC devices was made in the 1990s. 

Get to the Point

Don't Starve Shipwrecked has occasionally been viewed as an uninteresting DLC from a lore perspective. However, what I've just shown here suggests otherwise. The 1932-style English license plate, orange aluminum soda can, and dynamic-display AAC device together reveal the uncomfortable truth that as of the events of Shipwrecked, decades have passed in the outside world to the point where the MINIMUM decade outside the Constant is the 1990s. The fact that Klei was consistent enough to show not 1, but 3 "futuristic" real-world inventions making their way into the Constant suggests that this "anachronism" was intentional and not anachronistic at all. 

Looking Ahead

If it is absolutely true that many decades have already passed in the outside world during Shipwrecked, which canonically occurs prior to Adventure Mode, this information can be used to solve a plethora of other mysteries and possibly the Don't Starve timeline itself. For those who don't know what I'm talking about when I mention the "Don't Starve timeline", I'm referring to this specific post from Kevin Forbes many years ago. 
 


One particular issue I was looking into was how time flows inside the Constant relative to the outside world. I've done quite a bit of research to solve this question, and I do have a few ideas. Unfortunately, I've yet to come up with a conclusive argument explaining the flow of time and/or the perception of said flow of time within the Constant. If anyone wants to know what information I've found that may be relevant to solving this mystery, the links will be below in a separate Source list. One thing I can say for certain though is that contrary to what many, myself included, have suggested, evidence suggests that the flow of time within the Constant actually is abnormal and cannot be explained by "we're on a different planet". 

If you made it to the end of this essay, thanks for reading. For those who've miraculously digested everything I mentioned, I only have one last thing to say.

Rest in Peace, Maman Angeline.

Special Thanks and Sources

@Blueleaf12 for sharing the existence of the license plate in another thread that sparked this deep dive
@GetNerfedOn for moral support and sharing an image that I will most likely be doing a deep dive on next

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Trinkets#Orange_Soda

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Story_Line

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/40533-will-there-be-anything-more-for-puzzlesbackstory-after-intermission/page/2/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plate#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_States_for_1901

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_States_for_1921

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom#1932_to_1963

https://web.archive.org/web/20100420032442/http://www.fleetdata.co.uk/allocations.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicestershire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmentative_and_alternative_communication#Forms_of_AAC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drink_can#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_the_United_Kingdom#1939_to_1955

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech-generating_device#History

http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/world/EU_UKXX.html

http://www.ndimedia.com/a-history-of-augmentative-and-alternative-communication-aac-devices-part-1-the-pioneers/

https://www.qbyv.com/product/history-of-the-can-timeline/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/73394668906343038/

https://www.google.com/search?q=soda+can+pull+tab+vs+push+tab+vs+stay+tab&sxsrf=ALeKk02WGB87QZfUSwU2F_PxrERpzEHrKA:1588735858340&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=HfBR03Lnbk1RiM%3A%2C_cJTrKrKmJSdMM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRB947xUYGOnRsumIm1Pj04ZJNwWQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIpumjpp7pAhVGWs0KHfcPBkcQ9QEwDnoECAYQBw#imgrc=HfBR03Lnbk1RiM:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_and_tin_cans#History


Sources Relevant to the Constant's Unsolved Time Flow Mystery

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Wagstaff_quotes
(Beefalo (naked), grass tuft (picked), berry bush (picked), birchnut tree (sapling))

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Wickerbottom_quotes
(Berry bush (normal and burning))

https://jeffagala.tumblr.com/post/49704696491/a-piece-i-did-to-commemorate-one-million-dead

https://jeffagala.tumblr.com/post/55202238387/william-carter-documents-for-dont-starve?fb_ref=Default&fbclid=IwAR3TBTzGnNC6LfRkFAolbd0VUxmN_iewCVimlKfvN5dZh4_kWGF4skbTSNI

http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-directory/ardisia-crenata/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+long+does+it+take+to+grow+a+beard&oq=how+long+does+it+take+to+grow+a+beard&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.4088j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://www.flightpathfarms.com/beefalo-library/why-raise-beefalo/

 

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x0-VERSUS-1y    5656

I think you are looking way too much and hard into all this trying to make some coherent "unifying theory" about DS/T lore for a cohesive backstory. Don't forget DST has trinkets related to ONI. Probably some stuff was just added "for the lolz", like some of the skins we have (the Midori Electro-Roboto for example, a reference to both classic 70s-80s animes and the homologous beverage first released in 1964 - probably one of the devs is a fan of it). A lot of subtle cultural references most likely because devs fancy them. We even have characters breaking the 4th wall in various quotes.

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Charlie Dark    4199
29 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

I think you are looking way too much and hard into all this trying to make some coherent "unifying theory" about DS/T lore for a cohesive backstory. Don't forget DST has trinkets related to ONI. Probably some stuff was just added "for the lolz", like some of the skins we have (the Midori Electro-Roboto for example, a reference to both classic 70s-80s animes and the homologous beverage first released in 1964 - probably one of the devs is a fan of it). A lot of subtle cultural references most likely because devs fancy them. We even have characters breaking the 4th wall in various quotes.

It's game logic, -Maxy when examining an opulent pickaxe

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Blueleaf12    1157

Hey thanks for following up with me and @ing me in this post! It was a good read.

The bit about the orange soda, I thought it was just a reference to Orange Crush, a modern soda, but your explanation with Wagstaff makes sense. For the tuna can in SW, Woodie comments he needs Lucy to open the can. However, it also has a pull tab. I initially made fun of him for needing Lucy to open the can, but now it makes sense he'd assume he needs a can opener to open it rather than just pulling the tab because it's likely he's also never seen a pull tab before. 

With the licence plate, I'm still somewhat confused why some characters know what it is, but others don't. Maybe it's a licence plate from 1932, but I still feel like most characters would have SEEN a car before, and therefore a licence plate, even if it's a licence plate they're unfamiliar with. What comes to mind is Maxwell, Woodie, and Wickerbottom. All act like they don't know what it is. Which is strange to me, because they've been to big cities before (New York for Wicker and Maxwell, Toronto for Woodie) so I feel like either way they'd recognize "yes this is a licence plate" from seeing cars around, even if it's a licence plate style they've never seen. 

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Rinkusan    1008
5 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

I think you are looking way too much and hard into all this trying to make some coherent "unifying theory" about DS/T lore for a cohesive backstory. Don't forget DST has trinkets related to ONI. Probably some stuff was just added "for the lolz", like some of the skins we have (the Midori Electro-Roboto for example, a reference to both classic 70s-80s animes and the homologous beverage first released in 1964 - probably one of the devs is a fan of it). A lot of subtle cultural references most likely because devs fancy them. We even have characters breaking the 4th wall in various quotes.

Could you point out what specific DST trinkets you're referring to? I'm not too familiar with Oxygen Not Included other than what I know from watching a parody Youtuber who was sponsored by Klei a while ago to dig for oil in order to satisfy his unquenchable capitalist venture.

The DST skins not being canon doesn't mean the trinkets aren't canon, though. We have an Untriumphant Maxwell skin that is implied to be what he looked like before the train accident in DST after all, but I've yet to see any trinket on the Wiki page that contradicts established canon. 

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Rinkusan    1008
5 hours ago, Blueleaf12 said:

Hey thanks for following up with me and @ing me in this post! It was a good read.

The bit about the orange soda, I thought it was just a reference to Orange Crush, a modern soda, but your explanation with Wagstaff makes sense. For the tuna can in SW, Woodie comments he needs Lucy to open the can. However, it also has a pull tab. I initially made fun of him for needing Lucy to open the can, but now it makes sense he'd assume he needs a can opener to open it rather than just pulling the tab because it's likely he's also never seen a pull tab before. 

With the licence plate, I'm still somewhat confused why some characters know what it is, but others don't. Maybe it's a licence plate from 1932, but I still feel like most characters would have SEEN a car before, and therefore a licence plate, even if it's a licence plate they're unfamiliar with. What comes to mind is Maxwell, Woodie, and Wickerbottom. All act like they don't know what it is. Which is strange to me, because they've been to big cities before (New York for Wicker and Maxwell, Toronto for Woodie) so I feel like either way they'd recognize "yes this is a licence plate" from seeing cars around, even if it's a licence plate style they've never seen. 

So the thing is that both Maxwell and Wickerbottom were from New York in 1906 and 1911 respectively. New York only started issuing state license plates in 1910, and even then, like with the majority of American license plates throughout the century, the New York license plates were just a bunch of numbers; not even a single letter in the serial code. It only makes sense that Maxwell and Wickerbottom don't know what "this inscription means" and view the license plate as a "secret code".

Likewise for Woodie, the province of Ontario throughout the 1910s had license plates that were an inconsistent bunch of numbers. Also, as someone implied to have lived in a lumber yard, Woodie may not have seen very many cars in his life time at all.

Also, continuing the conversation about Wendy in the other thread, I just realized how much sense it makes that she of all people would have a vague idea of what this English license plate is. If it is 100% canon that she lived within the Grand Boulevard belt line in the 1910s, she would've been almost guaranteed to see these "bizarre" lettered license plates in her city during the days leading up to the INTERNATIONAL Corona Road Races. 

 

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x0-VERSUS-1y    5656
1 hour ago, Rinkusan said:

Could you point out what specific DST trinkets you're referring to? I'm not too familiar with Oxygen Not Included other than what I know from watching a parody Youtuber who was sponsored by Klei a while ago to dig for oil in order to satisfy his unquenchable capitalist venture.

The DST skins not being canon doesn't mean the trinkets aren't canon, though. We have an Untriumphant Maxwell skin that is implied to be what he looked like before the train accident in DST after all, but I've yet to see any trinket on the Wiki page that contradicts established canon. 

 

Directly from DST's Fandom wiki page (more here):

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The Halloween Trinkets and Candies added in 2017 are inspired by Klei Entertainment's other games Griftlands, Hot Lava and Oxygen Not Included.

 •   The Binoculars, Lone Glove, Snail Scale and Otherworldly Jawbreaker are references to Griftlands.
 •   The Goop Canister, Toy Cobra, Crocodile Toy and Lava Pepper are references to Hot Lava.
 •   The Broken Terrarium, Odd Radio, Broken Hairdryer, and Candy Lice are references to Oxygen Not Included.

Thus basically Easter Eggs. Up to each player if they wanna consider this canon in any shape or form. That's why I say all the small details in DS/T universe can be just funny bits of filling (cultural "wink"-type references) not to be taken too seriously - doesn't mean they add to any grand/intricate planned scheme.

 

And regarding Clothes Collections, look no further than Year of the Varg Verdant Collection - can you take as canon that Maxwell became a Dryad wizard for example? Or Victorian Collection that implies Wilson was at some point an actual full-fledged Physician? Sure are fun perspectives of "what if". But I for one think you are looking too much into all this, trying to tie it all together.

 

PS: another Easter Egg from Forge - the small Hot Lava figure that's visible when Battlemaster Pugna hits the helmet beside him.

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Rinkusan    1008
4 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

 

Directly from DST's Fandom wiki page (more here):

Thus basically Easter Eggs. Up to each player if they wanna consider this canon in any shape or form. That's why I say all the small details in DS/T universe can be just funny bits of filling not to be taken too seriously - don't mean they add to any grand planned scheme.

 

And regarding Clothes Collection, look no further than Year of the Varg Verdant Collection - can you take as canon that Maxwell became a Dryad wizard for example? Or Victorian Collection that implies Wilson became at some point an actual full-fledged Physician? Sure are fun perspectives of "what if". Still I for one think you are looking too much into all this, trying to tie all together.

Aren't these trinkets temporary, though? The wiki says they only last for the duration of the Hallowed Nights event, which is significantly different from the permanent trinkets you can find throughout the Shipwrecked and Hamlet worlds.

Even assuming that these temporary trinkets were eventually made permanent, I can't find anything about these Hallowed Nights trinkets that violate DS lore, including character dialogue and even invention date. Being inspired by the games as an easter egg doesn't imply that the trinkets canonically belong to those other game universes, and I'm even skeptical of the canonicity of these specific trinkets regardless of not contradicting anything in the lore just because they temporarily exist in-game. I could very well be wrong about the latter based on the existence of Hallowed Nights content in the officially-canon Wurt trailer, but I can't find anything debunking the former. 

I think you misunderstood me; I was actually suggesting that the character skins may not be canon based on the seemingly contradictory existence of a pre-Maxwell William Carter skin existing years after William Carter got rid of that persona. Now that I'm clarifying this though, I'm not very confident this is even the case anymore as you could easily just assume that these are costumes and not an accurate representation of who the character is, which goes back to my point in the essay that it's important to be as skeptical of appearance-based evidence as possible. Would you assume that every person wearing a white coat out in public is a medical doctor? 

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Blueleaf12    1157
1 hour ago, Rinkusan said:

So the thing is that both Maxwell and Wickerbottom were from New York in 1906 and 1911 respectively. New York only started issuing state license plates in 1910, and even then, like with the majority of American license plates throughout the century, the New York license plates were just a bunch of numbers; not even a single letter in the serial code. It only makes sense that Maxwell and Wickerbottom don't know what "this inscription means" and view the license plate as a "secret code".

Likewise for Woodie, the province of Ontario throughout the 1910s had license plates that were an inconsistent bunch of numbers. Also, as someone implied to have lived in a lumber yard, Woodie may not have seen very many cars in his life time at all.

Also, continuing the conversation about Wendy in the other thread, I just realized how much sense it makes that she of all people would have a vague idea of what this English license plate is. If it is 100% canon that she lived within the Grand Boulevard belt line in the 1910s, she would've been almost guaranteed to see these "bizarre" lettered license plates in her city during the days leading up to the INTERNATIONAL Corona Road Races. 

 

Yeah I suppose that makes sense that licence plates came after Maxwell, so of course he wouldn't know. I'd make a slight argument for Wickerbottom, however, but I get what you mean. 

I'd make more of an argument for Woodie. I was doing some research the other day because he mentions Algonquin Park in two of his quotes. For those that don't know, Algonquin Park is a provincial park in Ontario that was made in the late 19th century. While being a provincial park, it ALSO allows for legal logging practices, even in the early 20th century. Algonquin Park is situated smack dab between Ottawa and Toronto. So I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume he lived and worked at a lumber yard in Algonquin Park for some time before The Constant. This would also mean he could have visited Toronto for some amount of time, and maybe saw some cars. It is still likely that maybe he doesn't recognize it because it's not a licence plate he's used to. 

That is very possible! I would also make an argument Webber knows and recognizes this licence plate, which could suggest he's from 1932 United Kingdom. This is based on your argument that he wouldn't recognize a licence plate he's not familiar with. A big thing is that his grandfather is likely of Scottish descent, which pins him in the UK. 

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Rinkusan    1008
9 minutes ago, mathem99 said:

This was both enjoyable and captivating to read, thank-you for outdoing yourself once again, Mx Rinkusan!

But, shouldn't this be in the [Don't Starve] Art, Music & Lore section? Or generally in the Don't Starve single-player part of the forum?

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/forum/15-dont-starve-art-music-lore/

I actually thought about posting even my first-ever lore essay in that section a while ago, but then I looked at the actual threads and the description to that section: "Don't Starve inspired art, fan written field notes, in-character stories and more!" I think "lore" in this context means "fanon stories", which was why I decided against posting these theories in that forum section.

Also, for full transparency, I've been lurking around this particular section of the forums ever since I discovered the Klei forums, so I most likely have a subconscious bias to post stuff in this forum section to begin with. Now that I'm typing this out loud, I probably should be visiting the other forum sections more often.

I agree that putting this thread in the single-player forum would make sense. That being said, this particular theory involves the entire Don't Starve universe and has implications for the future of the franchise, so there's a bit of a grey area. I guess I'll leave that decision up to the mods if they happen to stumble into this thread.

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x0-VERSUS-1y    5656
44 minutes ago, Rinkusan said:

Aren't these trinkets temporary, though? The wiki says they only last for the duration of the Hallowed Nights event, which is significantly different from the permanent trinkets you can find throughout the Shipwrecked and Hamlet worlds.

Even assuming that these temporary trinkets were eventually made permanent, I can't find anything about these Hallowed Nights trinkets that violate DS lore, including character dialogue and even invention date. Being inspired by the games as an easter egg doesn't imply that the trinkets canonically belong to those other game universes, and I'm even skeptical of the canonicity of these specific trinkets regardless of not contradicting anything in the lore just because they temporarily exist in-game. I could very well be wrong about the latter based on the existence of Hallowed Nights content in the officially-canon Wurt trailer, but I can't find anything debunking the former. 

I think you misunderstood me; I was actually suggesting that the character skins may not be canon based on the seemingly contradictory existence of a pre-Maxwell William Carter skin existing years after William Carter got rid of that persona. Now that I'm clarifying this though, I'm not very confident this is even the case anymore as you could easily just assume that these are costumes and not an accurate representation of who the character is, which goes back to my point in the essay that it's important to be as skeptical of appearance-based evidence as possible. Would you assume that every person wearing a white coat out in public is a medical doctor? 

I don't think it matters if something is Seasonal Event-tide or permanent, is in the game and that's that - both are made by KLei, thus "lore" (and they can mold, backtrack and retcon however they may desire content and allured story - don't forget how Wendy was in past referred as a "young lady" and now is "8-10 years old" though she has quite dark and mature quotes and other inconsistencies).

Fact of matter is you have futuristic elements (mentioned trinkets) in a theoretical Victorian fantastic and whimsical setup. You can interpret this however you want.

But you know what was not fully-made by KLei? DS: Shipwrecked. Don't forget about Capy Games. And the fact, 1 year later after release, KLei team revisited Shipwrecked content with the Home Sea Home macro-update. Will not comment over the current relations between KLei and Capy or regarding levels of satisfaction over Capy's work on SW. But considering these you should take with a proverbial grain-of-salt the lore aspects of SW, more so the tiny ones like said license plate, orange aluminum soda can, and dynamic-display AAC device from your OP and their implication for a "grand unified lore/story". They can be only flimsy fillers with sole purpose of being "random background stuff".

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Rinkusan    1008
22 minutes ago, Blueleaf12 said:

Yeah I suppose that makes sense that licence plates came after Maxwell, so of course he wouldn't know. I'd make a slight argument for Wickerbottom, however, but I get what you mean. 

I'd make more of an argument for Woodie. I was doing some research the other day because he mentions Algonquin Park in two of his quotes. For those that don't know, Algonquin Park is a provincial park in Ontario that was made in the late 19th century. While being a provincial park, it ALSO allows for legal logging practices, even in the early 20th century. Algonquin Park is situated smack dab between Ottawa and Toronto. So I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume he lived and worked at a lumber yard in Algonquin Park for some time before The Constant. This would also mean he could have visited Toronto for some amount of time, and maybe saw some cars. It is still likely that maybe he doesn't recognize it because it's not a licence plate he's used to. 

That is very possible! I would also make an argument Webber knows and recognizes this licence plate, which could suggest he's from 1932 United Kingdom. This is based on your argument that he wouldn't recognize a licence plate he's not familiar with. A big thing is that his grandfather is likely of Scottish descent, which pins him in the UK. 

Could you tell me what these 2 quotes were and what page on the wiki I can find them? It sounds like there could be more potential lore clues for Woodie's origins.

In Webber's case, I think it's likely that he's in a similar boat to Wendy. He understands the letters and numbers enough to recognize that it's a license plate but doesn't necessarily recognize that it's a UK license plate let alone a license plate from beyond 1932. It's impossible for Webber to be from 1932 UK unfortunately when it's canon that all of the survivors were pulled in during the period between 1910 and 1921.  

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Blunderbuss    391
2 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

(and they can mold, backtrack and retcon however they may desire content and allured story - don't forget how Wendy was in past referred as a "young lady" and now is "8-10 years old" though she has quite dark and mature quotes and other inconsistencies).

this is sorta bogus, just because timmy's dad refers to timmy as "chief" or "little man" does not change his age or make him a chief

im sure theres a few plot holes but that aint one

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Blueleaf12    1157
4 minutes ago, Rinkusan said:

Could you tell me what these 2 quotes were and what page on the wiki I can find them? It sounds like there could be more potential lore clues for Woodie's origins.

In Webber's case, I think it's likely that he's in a similar boat to Wendy. He understands the letters and numbers enough to recognize that it's a license plate but doesn't necessarily recognize that it's a UK license plate let alone a license plate from beyond 1932. It's impossible for Webber to be from 1932 UK unfortunately when it's canon that all of the survivors were pulled in during the period between 1910 and 1921.  

They're both on Woodie's quote pages on the wikipedia, for the Hippopotomoose and Fireflies. For the Fireflies, he says "Reminds me of Algonquin Park", and for the Hippopotomoose, he says "Reminds me of something I saw in Algonquin Park once." I did some research and there was a name change for the park in 1913. Unfortunately, he doesn't say the full name of the park, so I couldn't actually date him being there. Which is unfortunate.

Yeah that's true. 

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x0-VERSUS-1y    5656
6 minutes ago, Blunderbuss said:

this is sorta bogus, just because timmy's dad refers to timmy as "chief" or "little man" does not change his age or make him a chief

im sure theres a few plot holes but that aint one

I could expand on this but frankly I don't care about Wendy and all the "controversy" around her character.

I will summon @Tapirus, as he's more into DST lore and quotes (including modified ones over time), ofc if he so desire to participate in this discussion.

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Blunderbuss    391

point is that isnt the best example

especially since webber wurt and wendy the three kid characters are the 3 that have "young" in their cabinet description

young spider

young woman 

young merm

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5 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

I don't think it matters if something is Seasonal Event tide or permanent, is in the game and that's that - both are made by KLei, thus "lore" (and they can mold, backtrack and retcon however they may desire content and allured story - don't forget how Wendy was in past referred as a "young lady" and now is "8-10 years old" though she has quite dark and mature quotes and other inconsistencies).

Fact of matter is you have futuristic elements (mentioned trinkets) in a theoretical Victorian fantastic and whimsical setup. You can interpret this however you want.

But you know what was not fully-made by KLei? DS: Shipwrecked. Don't forget about Capy Games. And the fact, 1 year later after release, KLei team revisited Shipwrecked content with the Home Sea Home macro-update. Will not comment over the current relations between KLei and Capy or regarding levels of satisfaction over Capy's work on SW. But considering these you should take with a proverbial grain of salt the lore aspects of SW, more so the tiny ones like said license plate, orange aluminum soda can, and dynamic-display AAC device from your OP.

Right, which is why I made the argument that even assuming that everything within Hallowed Nights and the skins are 100% canon, I haven't seen any contradictions. I've personally heard my cousin being referred to as a "young lady" when I was a kid; I'm pretty sure it literally just means a 'girl', not just a young-adult female. Could you link me to the post you're referring to, though?

Right, but the key word here is 'set-up'. We've passed the set-up stage a long time ago; we're on the journey and possibly getting close to the climax of the story. 

I actually considered the canonicity of Shipwrecked as a whole when making this. While I wasn't able to get a confirmation from one of the developers about this, I'm pretty confident that Shipwrecked is canon (no pun intended). For one, the presence of Warly - a Shipwrecked survivor - in the world of DST makes it pretty clear that the events of Shipwrecked did happen. If that isn't enough, the existence of Wobsters which have adapted to the color of the water in DST reaffirms the canonicity. If you're still unconvinced, it is likewise confirmed from the environment depicted in the Wormwood (who is also in DST) short that the world of Hamlet is also canon; in other words, Klei would be remarkably inconsistent if one DLC was canon to the story but not the other. 

Regarding CapyGames though, do you happen to have any sources indicating what content within Shipwrecked CapyGames was responsible for? 

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