WAGSTAFF Villain Or Victim?  

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  1. 1. Is Wagstaff a Villain or a Victim?

    • Villain
      43
    • Victim
      16
    • I Don’t Know Because there’s not enough evidence or Lore to support either Theory
      80
    • Who is Wagstaff?
      14


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Mike23Ua    2,957

Recent Topics have lead myself and other forum members into a massive discussion on potential Wagstaff Lore and so I have decided to create this poll to see what everyone thinks.

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QrChuck    256

We don't really know how he would use the power of Nightmare Throne. We know, that Them would change him into Their puppet But Wagstaff doesn't know that.

Wagstaff is just a person seeking for power, no matter what it's cost. I'd call him a madman rather tahn Villain/Victim.

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Hornete    1,963

I don't think the dude wants to the destroy the entire world, I mean no one really wants that. He's just a bit too curious with meddling with nightmare fuel technology even though he probably knows it destroyed the ancients.

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SkylordElberich    1,087

Honestly, I would say a victim. Considering his age, it's not impossible that he lived through the horrors of the Great War (WWI to you and me) and his desire to obtain the nightmare throne is likely fueled by wanting to prevent similar wars from happening.

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Portmanteau    348

I don't think Wagstaff could be considered good nor evil given how little we know of his ultimate goal. What we do know is he is a man with insatiably morbid curiosities, and that's what makes him a potentially dangerous and compelling figure in the ongoing story.

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Mike23Ua    2,957
9 minutes ago, Portmanteau said:

I don't think Wagstaff could be considered good nor evil given how little we know of his ultimate goal. What we do know is he is a man with insatiably morbid curiosities, and that's what makes him a potentially dangerous and compelling figure in the ongoing story.

What we do know is he had his own means of accessing the Constant By Holograms and his own portal in his factory, He Mass Produced Voxola Music Boxes (the same thing that sucked Wilson into the Constant) AND If That’s not enough He also created WX-78 who wants all fleshlings to die..

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__IvoCZE__    7,249
13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

he had his own means of accessing the Constant By Holograms and his own portal in his factory

so did Wilson under the pretense that it would be the next great success (Forbidden Knowledge)

13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

He Mass Produced Voxola Music Boxes (the same thing that sucked Wilson into the Constant)

Which were "hi-jacked" by shadows/them/whateverentitythereis to do so.

The original Voxola radios were only radios- and good ones, that's why the few models (made before the factory fire) sold out so fast

13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 He also created WX-78 who wants all fleshlings to die..

WX-78 is literally a sentient killer automatic...

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Portmanteau    348

It's likely though that WX-78 wasn't created with destructive purpose in mind given he does have an "empathy module". It's just not responding for some reason, and that inevitably somehow led them to their hatred for all living things. Basically though, I don't understand how making all those things and WX-78 at all makes Wagstaff evil. Wagstaff doesn't even seem to know why his inventions are being used in The Constant, so why is he to blame?

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HorseyTheYes    1,221

Tbh, I just think he is a dumb babey that has gotten himself into something he thought little of and has to face the consequences

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Hornete    1,963
2 hours ago, Sunset Skye said:

Personally my theory is that Wagstaff got taken to the constant long before any of the other characters, and he's a "projection" as in the other definition: we're watching something that happened long ago, because Wagstaff's adventure in the constant happened in the past rather than the present.

Okay, I REALLY love this theory/idea that we're playing Wagstaff in a past period of time.

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Cassielu    66
8 hours ago, Dunk Mujunk said:

I think the most important part of the lore in regards to this topic is-

  • 1906 - 1910ish: Unknown "crazy stuff" happens.[1]
  • 1910ish - 1921: Over this time period, Maxwell starts taking people from the real world into The Constant. They are forced to survive the nightmare world he created.[1]
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  BASEFAN = "Magnificent! What a marvel of engineering!",

In the real world. The oscillating fan was invented in 1908.

That's mean Wagstaff's projection into the constant before 1908.

Maybe "crazy stuff" is what Wagstaff did in the constant.

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Mike23Ua    2,957
6 minutes ago, Cassielu said:

In the real world. The oscillating fan was invented in 1908.

That's mean Wagstaff's projection into the constant before 1908.

Maybe "crazy stuff" is what Wagstaff did in the constant.

Dun Dun dun DUNnnnnn 

(sorry had to add evil bad guy music.) Because... why not? :D 

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Mike23Ua    2,957

Is there any significant amounts of Wagstaff related lore in DST? He isn’t available on Consoles but I Know that in Single-Player Don’t Starve he was (I guess?) the only character who could Create the Item

“Electrical Doo-Dad.”

That Item is in DST, So I’m assuming there’s Wagstaff related lore Somewhere I’m just not finding it. :( 

This is NOT a Trolling post, I am genuinely Confused about a lot of Wagstaffs Lore, His Motives, and Rather or not if he is Villain Or Victim.

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axxel    1,116
21 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Is there any significant amounts of Wagstaff related lore in DST? He isn’t available on Consoles but I Know that in Single-Player Don’t Starve he was (I guess?) the only character who could Create the Item

Winona short. It seems he didn't intent to be sucked up by the portal because he stretched his arms to Winona. unless it was someone else.

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Pop Guy    3,608

I believe that Wagstaff embodies the scientist, detached from the consequences of his research, who ignores and wants to ignore the ethical dilemma.
Questionable and controversial behavior? Sure. But how can you blame him? The consequences of human actions are often so uncertain and unpredictable ... and when you are in the presence of otherworldly realities then what is "right" and "wrong" appears quite vague, I guess. In the end, in the world of nature everything happens out of necessity, for Gods all things are good. The human being creates the distinction between what is right and what is not; but things just happen in a strange and aimless universe, an endless mixing of strange and elusive particles. Wagstaff looks at us from up there, probably wondering why we are worried.

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Mike23Ua    2,957

The poll votes here favor him more as a Villain then as an innocent Victim.

Maybe more lore will change that in the future, or Perhaps it won’t..

Either way I made this thread to see what the community thought as a whole of Wagstaff. 

Now it’s ultimately up to Klei to decide rather they want to make him a true Villain or leave us all guessing on What Mister Wagstaffs been up to all along.

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