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Wurt could trade with pig king...

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SinancoTheBest    1612

Yea, it's fine if she can challenge him but I don't think she should be trading with him. Wouldn't it be better if she can trade trinkets&gold with the merm king with a reduced rate if they want to give her gold trading?

Since they didn't note this on the patch-notes, it's reasonable to assume that this is a bug as a result of giving her the ability to start the pig king challenge with the PK by offering him a belt. Why don't you report it on the bug tracker?

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ADM    3061

Now that we have 3 characters that can be attacked by Pigs, I believe it's a nice time to add the Shamlet Mask to the game : shamletmask.png.02ef64d4f4555b84b6227cd084872a12.png

Pigs are some very intolerant creatures, guess their king should at least follow this as well and refuse to trade with creatures they don't socialise with.

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ShadowDuelist    4934

I think this raises up a few interesting points of debate. The whole point of her not being able to trade with the PK was because the pigs and the merms are in a permanent war. This made her gameplay sort of gold starved, being probably her biggest con in the long run.

If she can start the mini game, why not being able to trade with PK? It makes that the king lets her interact for a fun game, and not to make offerings to him. I personally am against of her trading with PK, but if she could interact with just the mini-game and not with the other way, it kinda doesn't make much sense, lore-wise. But, if she can't trade at all (which, would make more sense) she shouldnt even be able to start the mini game, leaving her out of the event (unless she plays with other non Wurts) and possibly making Wurt a less interesting solo character.

However, we know by Webber and Wortox that the pig king is an open minded guy, since despite the fact that all the pigs hate those two, he still trades with them, at the normal rate, making no difference with any other non-monster. 

So the way I see it, this opens 3 possibilities:

  1. Let her trade for the mini game and not for the normal offerings. She'd be an interesting choice to purchase for everyone since she can still enjoy the mini game, keep her con, and make 0 sense lore wise.
  2. Do not let her trade for anything with PK, stick to the lore, and make her a less interesting choice for character purchase.
  3. Make PK an open minded cool guy, as shown with Webber and Wortox, and she can both trade and play the mini game as it is right now. Maybe trading with him could be at a lowered trinket/gold rate.
    Optionally this could include Webber and Wortox, to get a lower trinket/gold rate too, so they are all in the same page of "weirdos" to the pigs eyes.

 

What do you think?

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ShadowDuelist    4934
14 minutes ago, Fi7iP said:

I would like gold to be obtained by the mini-game from the year of the pig king. Because now the pig king is a gold factory.

Also Wurt has much fewer uses for all the meat she produces, and she gets trinkets for gold often, meaning that if she trades all that meat or eggs, and all the trinkets, she would go from a gold starved character, to feeding lureplants with the absolute excess of gold.

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Frashaw27    778
2 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

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Tbh, I would much rather her just be excluded in all pig related actvites and instead give a merm alternative for them. For example, instead of the Pig King mini game, you could have a mini game where you have go through a small maze of obelisks to get tokens which will act as score. The person with the moat acore would get 3x Fishy Dubloons which can be used to summon a merm guard for 1 min. This way, we can have the internalized raceism of the pigs but also have fun mini games.

2 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Also Wurt has no use for all the meat she produces, and she gets trinkets for gold often, meaning that she would go from a gold starved character, to feeding lureplants with the absolute excess of gold.

Maybe frog legs can be used as bait a later update? They could also make is to that the Merm King will give you you either a carrot or seaweed for each frog leg you give him. Trinkets could also be used by the Merm King giving you a royal service document per trinket which can be given to guards to have them follow you for the max amount of time.

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Fi7iP    189
26 minutes ago, Frashaw27 said:

Tbh, I would much rather her just be excluded in all pig related actvites and instead give a merm alternative for them. For example, instead of the Pig King mini game, you could have a mini game where you have go through a small maze of obelisks to get tokens which will act as score. The person with the moat acore would get 3x Fishy Dubloons which can be used to summon a merm guard for 1 min. This way, we can have the internalized raceism of the pigs but also have fun mini games.

I would definitely rework the mechanics of gold mining because it's very simple and has no limitations.

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Frashaw27    778
44 minutes ago, Fi7iP said:

I would definitely rework the mechanics of gold mining because it's very simple and has no limitations.

Because its suppose to be? There isn't really a place in the game where there isnt anywhere to really get gold from besides the pig king. Since hold is essential part of base building and a few character perks, it would be odd to make gold gathering slower or worse and the simplicity to get it allows you easily create bases without having to go through hoops just to get a few golden nuggets.

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ArubaroBeefalo    805
2 hours ago, ADM said:

Now that we have 3 characters that can be attacked by Pigs, I believe it's a nice time to add the Shamlet Mask to the game : shamletmask.png.02ef64d4f4555b84b6227cd084872a12.png

Pigs are some very intolerant creatures, guess their king should at least follow this as well and refuse to trade with creatures they don't socialise with.

its a king, like every king only things in his wealth (toys, trash and wires)

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Shosuko    951

No reason to give her full access, but definitely should give her access to the mini-game.  Events like that shouldn't be character specific.

I like ADM's suggestion - put in a disguise that characters can make that give them access.

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Electroely    3332

I think what's weird about the no trading with pig king downside is that it's practically completely negated by just playing with a friend. It's something that only hurts solo players and those players have already got enough going against them. I think it makes sense if they do decide to remove the downside. The option of self-imposed challenges is always available for players who think the game is more enjoyable with the downside.

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Theukon-dos    2249

Something worth noting about Wurt is that, unlike the other characters that Pigs attack, Wurt actually hates the pigs just as much. 

That being said, and as has been suggested before, Letting Wurt play the challenge for higher stakes could be interesting, Kinda a "We ain't ever going to settle this on the battlefield, but I sure as hell can settle this here and now" Kinda thing.

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lakhnish    1583
On 11/22/2019 at 7:32 PM, Electroely said:

I think what's weird about the no trading with pig king downside is that it's practically completely negated by just playing with a friend. It's something that only hurts solo players and those players have already got enough going against them. I think it makes sense if they do decide to remove the downside. The option of self-imposed challenges is always available for players who think the game is more enjoyable with the downside.

I agree with this.

The no trading with Pig King is something already explored with the Lights Out mode, especially for DST since there's not really a way to try and force PK to trade like in DS (that I know of at least). Nothing special or different.

Having said that, the reason Wurt is bugged right now is b/c of faulty conditionals in pigking.lua (I have it fixed and reported).

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AlternateMew    266

Adding my vote to let her keep the trading thing. Pig King trading with Webber/Wortox gave me the impression that he doesn't really care about species. Webber especially; we see spiders and pigs in constant conflict, but PK doesn't care and treats Webber like everyone else. He just doesn't give a crap what his subjects do.

I also really want the Shamlet mask to be craftable without a mod, and usable by the three hated by pigs. With a slight personal preference that it does not work as a disguise for bunnymen.

Edit: From a lore perspective, I guess you could say that by hanging out with the other survivors who are okay with PK (especially the other two who get attacked by his subjects, same as her), she opens her mind about him specifically. But his subjects are still the enemy.

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Terra_Zina    5447

Maybe it's just temporary. There's alot of trinkets on the ground right now that cannot be disposed of, which creates lag in my solo Wurt world. But I kinda hopes it stays. Not being able to trade with pk is incredibly annoying.

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maradyne    4957

I'd be all for the Shamlet route at this point. We've got similar for Merms, and the other two monster characters are in this weird state where they're hated by pigs but can still interact with the King. This would be a good chance to streamline things a bit, having them be hated by all Pigs with the King included by default, but be ok with all pigs while wearing the mask.
...given that you're giving up the head slot for the ability, I feel it's a good enough tradeoff.

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Albus321    549

No anymore my Friend, no anymore...

On 11/22/2019 at 1:10 AM, HeatAndRun said:

Not sure she could trade before this update.. but I'm sure she can trade at least now.

 

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SinancoTheBest    1612
On 11/25/2019 at 12:39 PM, Terra_Zina said:

Maybe it's just temporary. There's alot of trinkets on the ground right now that cannot be disposed of, which creates lag in my solo Wurt world. But I kinda hopes it stays. Not being able to trade with pk is incredibly annoying.

you can still trade those with the Antlion, not that the desert stones and Lazy deserter will be of much use to you in a solo world unless you are using that solo deserter mod but thy appease it sufficiently.

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