Drakolyn Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Is it just me or does wagstaff's blurr effect give awful headaches i would really love to play as him but I get throbbing headaches seeing the blurr for even a little bit , I fear it could give me migraines if I had to look at it for an extended time which makes me sad as he seems like an interesting character who'd id love to play. this part of this character disappoints me as it's not very accessible to certian groups of people , and makes the game painful to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosePapp Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: Is it just me or does wagstaff's blurr effect give awful headaches i would really love to play as him but I get throbbing headaches seeing the blurr for even a little bit , I fear it could give me migraines if I had to look at it for an extended time which makes me sad as he seems like an interesting character who'd id love to play. this part of this character disappoints me as it's not very accessible to certian groups of people , and makes the game painful to play I mean, if they didn't add that, he wouldn't have a real downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModsterMash Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I was worried about this when I learned about this aspect of Wagstaff. This is a significant accessibility issue, and I hope Klei addresses it. 4 minutes ago, JosePapp said: I mean, if they didn't add that, he wouldn't have a real downside. True, but isolating certain players who literally can't play him without serious discomfort is not a good thing. People's health and comfort should always take precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ressayez Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 7 48 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: Is it just me or does wagstaff's blurr effect give awful headaches i would really love to play as him but I get throbbing headaches seeing the blurr for even a little bit , I fear it could give me migraines if I had to look at it for an extended time which makes me sad as he seems like an interesting character who'd id love to play. this part of this character disappoints me as it's not very accessible to certian groups of people , and makes the game painful to play I haven't gotten a chance to play him yet, but I'm disappointed that there's yet another mechanic that causes physical pain while playing. I used to have the same problem with the insanity ambience. I think the best we can hope for is a fix from a modder. @CarlZalph has an overlay disabler mod up, I'd keep an eye on it. He also ported the insanity ambience disabler over to DS, for which I am eternally gratefulll. 5 minutes ago, JosePapp said: I mean, if they didn't add that, he wouldn't have a real downside. What's the point of replying with something like this? This isn't about balance, this is about a mechanic causing headaches. No character's downside should be "causes headaches and nausea IRL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Mechanics causing headaches is certainly an issue, but why don’t you just wear his goggles? He’s pretty much meant to always have them on. They last 10 days and are dirt cheap to craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosePapp Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I got the insanity fx disabled too, but i just don't know how the nearsight could work if they didn't add that up. It was made blurry and not full white so you could kinda see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxiaogua Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Or maybe add a option to make it transparent instead of blurry? Would that give people physical pain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Ressayez said: I haven't gotten a chance to play him yet, but I'm disappointed that there's yet another mechanic that causes physical pain while playing. I used to have the same problem with the insanity ambience. I think the best we can hope for is a fix from a modder. @CarlZalph has an overlay disabler mod up, I'd keep an eye on it. He also ported the insanity ambience disabler over to DS, for which I am eternally gratefulll. What's the point of replying with something like this? This isn't about balance, this is about a mechanic causing headaches. No character's downside should be "causes headaches and nausea IRL." Pls play him first before criticizing him ... 8 hours ago, Drakolyn said: Is it just me or does wagstaff's blurr effect give awful headaches i would really love to play as him but I get throbbing headaches seeing the blurr for even a little bit , I fear it could give me migraines if I had to look at it for an extended time which makes me sad as he seems like an interesting character who'd id love to play. this part of this character disappoints me as it's not very accessible to certian groups of people , and makes the game painful to play tbh he is NOT supposed to be played without goggles at all.. he spawns with them and they are really ez to craft... this is a non issue really.. he's got googles for everything possible.-... one for dark environments, one for normal light.. one that works as a helmet... I think this is a bit unfounded if you are used to other mechanics and playing all blurred all the time with a football helmet .. I guess you can get a migraine.. but he kinda forces you to play differently by changing your priorities for head gear and body armor.. he has reduced vision as a disabling feature.. that is part of his character.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osbalop Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 My eyes hurt a little too when I play him, maybe if they could change the effect a little bit instead of removing it, it would be much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 @OsbalopYou aren't supposed to play him with blur dude... There us no reason you would even do that He has 3 Goggle head pieces for every situation.. Just try and learn his new mechanics before asking outright for nerfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakolyn Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 He dosent have goggles for hay fever as far as I know, and pig skin can be hard to get in certain situations , if you aren't prepped for combat and the bat wave won't be for awhile so if you're without goggles for even a tiny amount of time the pain can be immense and this is a disappointing acessability issue Personally I think shuffling the sprites of nearby objects , making them look like diffrent objects and perhaps making the map partially blacked out would have been a better option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hx380 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: and pig skin can be hard to get in certain situations , if you aren't prepped for combat and the bat wave won't be for awhile Then you can just quickly make a science machine, prototype a cut stone and make visor, which only loses durability by getting hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakolyn Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Hx380 said: Then you can just quickly make a science machine, prototype a cut stone and make visor, which only loses durability by getting hit The visor still makes part of the vision blurry as i understand , and you'd still need pigskin to make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: He dosent have goggles for hay fever as far as I know, this is a legit concern, then we should ask the devs to get an alternative goggles however.. you don't need that cuz u can mitigate hay fever with - Seed Pods : cooked are even better - Nettles: Only real problem I see is the toxic jungle... I think that the devs can come up with new googles to replace the toxic mask 54 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: and pig skin can be hard to get in certain situations , if you aren't prepped for combat and the bat wave won't be for awhile In the jungle near the mants near water, there are 4 pig heads.. if you hammer them each drops 2 pig skins.. that's 8 pig skins for a start plus the ones you get from pig guards and bats.. tbh quite honest.. I don't thin pig skin is an issue at all in the game.. 54 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: so if you're without goggles for even a tiny amount of time the pain can be immense and this is a disappointing acessability issue I cannot discredit your pain in any shape of form, but the game offers alternatives to never ever have to be without goggles.. I'm also very sensitive to loud sounds and weird visual effects compare with insanity sounds for instance... there is no alternative to mute them at all unless you use a mod or don't use ambient/fx sounds.. which is a big no no cuz you loose so much information about the game 54 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: Personally I think shuffling the sprites of nearby objects , making them look like diffrent objects and perhaps making the map partially blacked out would have been a better option I totally disagree with blacking out the map.. that would be terrible... that would affect gameplay so much for the rest of the users I think it's a bit sad if Klei decided top change it cuz if you think about it he is like an old grandpa.. you get experience a little bit how does it feel to struggle with vision... in a videogame.. anyways.. could you pls try and play with with googles all the time and come back to us?? I fear you haven't played him enough... 18 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: The visor still makes part of the vision blurry as i understand , and you'd still need pigskin to make it visor doesn't make vision blurry that's not true.. it only reduces RANGE of vision compare here with normal goggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hx380 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, Drakolyn said: The visor still makes part of the vision blurry as i understand , and you'd still need pigskin to make it No it doesn't, it just covers a part of the screen And you start with googles so you can use them to make visor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me real life Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said: there is an armor you can use to mitigate fog too Weevole Mantle.. it only gives 60% armor but it can work very well with his visors or any of this head gear for that matter A Weevole Mantle isn't like a pith hat or cowl. It will let you move at a normal speed if it's the only thing you're wearing, but it won't stop head items from slowing you down. Either way, I'm not entirely sure why you're bringing this up. Fog and hay fever are two completely different things, and it's true that Wagstaff has to use other methods of hay fever protection if you don't want blurry vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Sunset Skye said: A Weevole Mantle isn't like a pith hat or cowl. It will let you move at a normal speed if it's the only thing you're wearing, but it won't stop head items from slowing you down. Either way, I'm not entirely sure why you're bringing this up. Fog and hay fever are two completely different things, and it's true that Wagstaff has to use other methods of hay fever protection if you don't want blurry vision. first all.. a disclaimer here... I mixed up fog with hay fever.. I already updated it that part.. sorry second of all... all his goggles don't get affected by fog, they don't slow you down... so the weevole armor is perfect for him there cuz he can have visor (85% prot) + Weevole suit (60% prot) again.. I derped confusing Hay Fever with Fog xD.. sorry for the confussion EDIT--- This is how it looks like... you are not getting slowed down here at all-- It's a bit better than the pith hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Sorry, but I don't think this is an accessibility issue. You're meant to spend 0% of time without goggles, and you don't seem to have played him very much to even test this. Insanity ambiance also never "caused physical pain" though it is meant to be annoying and distracting because when you consider how easy shadows are to fight it being annoying is the only downside of insanity outside of a boss battle. I'm not saying that I think you're making it up that you "instantly get headaches" but I don't think you represent even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of players and given that Wagstaff (only one of many characters available) should have no reason to ever be blurred I don't think it's a good use of dev resources to find an alternative for one person. Motion sickness from blur and movement is a thing, and if you're sensitive to it and running around as wagstaff while he's goggleless I could see where you'd be uncomfortable. But that's an issue with you, not with the game. And of course, there's always some modder who is happy to provide a crutch that removes every possible downside or challenge you can have in this game, so a wagstaff with normal vision all the time is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosePapp Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 8 hours ago, maxiaogua said: Or maybe add a option to make it transparent instead of blurry? Would that give people physical pain? Just add this as an option for those migraine filled users like wigfrid's ö's and get this over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModsterMash Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Toros said: Sorry, but I don't think this is an accessibility issue. You're meant to spend 0% of time without goggles, and you don't seem to have played him very much to even test this. 3 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said: You aren't supposed to play him with blur dude... There us no reason you would even do that He has 3 Goggle head pieces for every situation.. Just try and learn his new mechanics before asking outright for nerfs I can imagine situations where you would have to swap the goggles out for another hat item. For example, when I have to wait safely around base during the night I like to pop on the tam to counteract the sanity drain. As Wagstaff this could expose me to the blurr for a bit. Just because you aren't supposed to play without blur mean you will never see the blur. I really don't like the idea of dismissing an issue like this because OP didn't play him enough or it's just one person reporting it. If the op played him for such a short time and got these symptoms, then it is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, ModsterMash said: I can imagine situations where you would have to swap the goggles out for another hat item. For example, when I have to wait safely around base during the night I like to pop on the tam to counteract the sanity drain. As Wagstaff this could expose me to the blurr for a bit. Just because you aren't supposed to play without blur mean you will never see the blur. I really don't like the idea of dismissing an issue like this because OP didn't play him enough or it's just one person reporting it. If the op played him for such a short time and got these symptoms, then it is an issue. the challenge is in not using a tam.. you have find other alternative methods for sanity. You can: sleep first and foremost.. he is not wicker... there is tons and tons of grass to craft a sleeping bags gather the flowers from the lily pond for 5 sanity each.. they regrow after 3 to 4 days you can use food for sanity: watermelons for melonsicles you can farm honey for taffy by killing snaptooth, getting the nectar.. then you go to the bee hive and put it in a honey chest.. voila.. honey after a minute... you are not dependent on tams.. He can virtually never ever use other head gear... I already suggested some things here that would make his options complete IMO: including water resistance for the visor and adding an analogue to the gas mask I'm not discarding people's concerns about this issue.. but pls read his post and you'll see he hasn't played enough I myself have sensibility to sounds and eye strain (can't really play FPSs for that reason) and I don't find this an issue in all honesty... cuz we aren't supposed to wear other head gear anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osbalop Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I want the limited vision to stay, it is part of what makes the character unique, but it doesn´t just make the vision worst, it hurts to look at maybe they could change it for an effect similar to the fog but a little more transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakolyn Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 Again, his goggles don't protect him from hay fever , and they could have easily made it a diffrent less headache inducing effect , or perhaps like made an option to make it look diffrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Drakolyn said: Again, his goggles don't protect him from hay fever , and they could have easily made it a diffrent less headache inducing effect , or perhaps like made an option to make it look diffrent dude... are you for real... I already replied to you on this 3 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said: this is a legit concern, then we should ask the devs to get an alternative goggles however.. you don't need that cuz u can mitigate hay fever with - Seed Pods : cooked are even better - Nettles: Only real problem I see is the toxic jungle... I think that the devs can come up with new googles to replace the toxic mask In the jungle near the mants near water, there are 4 pig heads.. if you hammer them each drops 2 pig skins.. that's 8 pig skins for a start plus the ones you get from pig guards and bats.. tbh quite honest.. I don't thin pig skin is an issue at all in the game.. I cannot discredit your pain in any shape of form, but the game offers alternatives to never ever have to be without goggles.. I'm also very sensitive to loud sounds and weird visual effects compare with insanity sounds for instance... there is no alternative to mute them at all unless you use a mod or don't use ambient/fx sounds.. which is a big no no cuz you loose so much information about the game I totally disagree with blacking out the map.. that would be terrible... that would affect gameplay so much for the rest of the users I think it's a bit sad if Klei decided top change it cuz if you think about it he is like an old grandpa.. you get experience a little bit how does it feel to struggle with vision... in a videogame.. anyways.. could you pls try and play with with googles all the time and come back to us?? I fear you haven't played him enough... visor doesn't make vision blurry that's not true.. it only reduces RANGE of vision compare here with normal goggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakolyn Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 I have only played with him with his goggles but that sill doesn't help the fact that the toxic jungle is nigh impossible without the mask, and that he takes damage from the hay fever foods, so it's not that effective , and even starting up the game as him, as he starts with goggles off, gives me a headache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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