Wheeler's hair art and design

[FreyaMaluk]

this was initially posted din the bug tracker cuz I believe that this is a visual mistake, but since there is some interest around this topic I decided to mvoe it here to the general...

1. Her hair looks bouncy and flowy from the front

and like a brick with some wave forms from the back... only moves from the top

 

Pls fix her back sprite and add more layers to the back of her hair to achieve same bouncy effect from the front. You look at the back of her head probs 80% of the time. Pls pls fix this. 

2. She also looks waaaay different from her portrait... Additionally to the low res for both characters, she got it worse with the design of her face...

In the portrait she looks sassy, smug and funny 

and in the game she looks bored and apathetic... even depressed 

The corners of her mouth in the portrait have a more sassy line and in the game the commissures of her mouth are curved down... looks like a sad face

Pls devs fix her... I love her quotes... and she is not depressed or apathetic or bored... she is full of life and smug lines and fun..

3. Her skin tone is also quite different from the portrait...

@SandvichSpy kindly depicted what would indeed look way better... I don't think the mouth has her "smug" expression down but it's a good step in the right direction

   ---- compared to this in game ------ 

He also added more volume to her hair which looks nicer as well

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@bugsmand also kindly provided his rendition, which is pretty close to the portrait

 

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4. New issue

there is a white section in her hair when she turns to the side

probs after last update

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5. @Angel_Octoling has kindly compiled a list of animation issues

Spoiler

- Her hair is outside her jacket when holding still, but is inside when running.

 Her hair cut through her head and her arms are in a weird position. Can't really be shown here, but her hair sprite (front one) snaps into place after chopping something from the side view. And also when walking. Also, her hand looks off here, but that might be me.

 

- The exact frame her dodge ends, her hand goes from being spread out to a fist in a second, not the smoothest transition.

Her hand clips her hair, and her hair clips almost all hats.
Again, her hair cut through her head and her arms are in a weird position.

 

and @Angel_Octoling also compiled this list of sprite issues

Spoiler

There's actually TREE hair sprites, I think this is a record, but don't quote me.
All 3 bounce when walking, but the one on the Right has never been used before on any character.
Her back only has 2, per say. 

 

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6. One of her hair layers is visible when struck by lightning. Ty @Mueck for this

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7. @Geeris kindly provided her natural appearance just with her mouth as in the portrait for a substantial change. Like her personality

  

[mathem99]

I agree, her whole in-game face looks... funky.

SandvichSpy made it look much better, she needs to smile more and her skin ought to be more bright.

[FreyaMaluk]

@ImDaMisterL could you kindly move this to suggestions? Me derp xD

[Rellimarual]

I like her bob, actually. It reminds me of a flapper. But I agree that her face seems out of character with her quotes and personality concept

[FreyaMaluk]

27 minutes ago, Rellimarual said:

I like her bob, actually. It reminds me of a flapper. But I agree that her face seems out of character with her quotes and personality concept

I don't dislike her hair overall.. just how different it moves from the front vs the back

it's weird cuz you have many layers from the front with this kinda flowy feeling and from the back is so static and her mouth is the worst IMO.. looks so sad.. why??

[minespatch]

The portrait reminds me of Magmatic Willow but her sprite reminds me of Wendy.

[ImDaMisterL]

7 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

@ImDaMisterL could you kindly move this to suggestions? Me derp xD

Done and done!

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9 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I don't dislike her hair overall.. just how different it moves from the front vs the back

it's weird cuz you have many layers from the front with this kinda flowy feeling and from the back is so static and her mouth is the worst IMO.. looks so sad.. why??

This is because of how the sprites work.
The reason her hair bobs in the front is due to a front hair sprite, that of which her back is missing because you can't see it.
Her hair is animated the same from the front and back, but the front happens to have an extra layer.
This sprite actually has never been used before by any character, so it seems unfinished, actually, and messes up in a few animations.
Along with her odd/unique body shape, when chopping, her hips actually dislodge.

Side note:
Trust me, I love Wheeler, but there's a few animation issues here.

[FreyaMaluk]

 

1 minute ago, Angel_Octoling said:

This is because of how the sprites work.
The reason her hair bobs in the front is due to a front hair sprite, that of which her back is missing because you can't see it.
Her hair is animated the same from the front and back, but the front happens to have an extra layer.
This sprite actually has never been used before by any character, so it seems unfinished, actually, and messes up in a few animations.
Along with her odd/unique body shape, when chopping, her hips actually dislodge.

Side note:
Trust me, I love Wheeler, but there's a few animation issues here.

do you mind elaborating a bit more on that.. maybe  with examples?? I could include this in OP to make a comprehensive list of issues

[PunkShark]

Now idk if the bobbing hair would still work, but i decided to try and redesign her as well.

 

[-Variant]

1 hour ago, FreyaMaluk said:

 

do you mind elaborating a bit more on that.. maybe  with examples?? I could include this in OP to make a comprehensive list of issues

Yeah, sure, sure.
Give me a few seconds to get the SPRITER and some in Game sprites.

Oh boy... Here we go.

Animation errors:

Spoiler

Her hair is outside her jacket when holding still, but is inside when running.
This explains itself. Can't really be shown here, but her hair sprite (front one) snaps into place after chopping something from the side view. And also when walking. Also, her hand looks off here, but that might be me.The exact frame her dodge ends, her hand goes from being spread out to a fist in a second, not the smoothest transition.
Her hand clips her hair, and her hair clips almost all hats.
Again, explains itself.

Now, Spriter.
Oh... It's worse than I thought.
 

Spoiler

There's actually TREE hair sprites, I think this is a record, but don't quote me.
All 3 bounce when walking, but the one on the Right has never been used before on any character.
Her back only has 2, per say. 

 

[FreyaMaluk]

50 minutes ago, Angel_Octoling said:

Yeah, sure, sure.
Give me a few seconds to get the SPRITER and some in Game sprites.

Oh boy... Here we go.

Animation errors:

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Her hair is outside her jacket when holding still, but is inside when running.
This explains itself. Can't really be shown here, but her hair sprite (front one) snaps into place after chopping something from the side view. And also when walking. Also, her hand looks off here, but that might be me.The exact frame her dodge ends, her hand goes from being spread out to a fist in a second, not the smoothest transition.
Her hand clips her hair, and her hair clips almost all hats.
Again, explains itself.

Now, Spriter.
Oh... It's worse than I thought.
 

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There's actually TREE hair sprites, I think this is a record, but don't quote me.
All 3 bounce when walking, but the one on the Right has never been used before on any character.
Her back only has 2, per say. 

 

this is awesome

the hair bit outside of the head gear is a common mistake... but I reported that already...

some of the "explain itself" I didn't get...

the 3 hair sprites were clear to me ... ergo why the hair from the back look so weird.. it needs more layers

there are a lot animation errors I didn't realize... still don't get the "explain itself ones" .. sorry you mind explaining what you mean?

great job

50 minutes ago, bugsmand said:

Now idk if the bobbing hair would still work, but i decided to try and redesign her as well.

 

this is def much more like in the portrait.. and there is boyz and grilz and all in between!!!!!

THE SMUG!! xD

I think her lips aren't that big.. but overall is such an improvement from that depressive face

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1 hour ago, FreyaMaluk said:

there are a lot animation errors I didn't realize... still don't get the "explain itself ones" .. sorry you mind explaining what you mean?

Her head, in the crafting animation her hair cuts through her head, and her arms are out of place.

[FreyaMaluk]

13 minutes ago, Angel_Octoling said:

Her head, in the crafting animation her hair cuts through her head, and her arms are out of place.

i see.. ty so much ... again great work dude

edit.. I added your compilation to OP with the respective credit

[4 Da LOLs]

3 hours ago, bugsmand said:

Now idk if the bobbing hair would still work, but i decided to try and redesign her as well.

 

maybe put the ears alittle higher, she looks like Denzel Crocker

[PunkShark]

Just now, 4 Da LOLs said:

maybe put the ears alittle higher, she looks like Denzel Crocker

Ay i was just following the portrait, even then her in-game ears are pretty much the same spot.

[4 Da LOLs]

Just now, bugsmand said:

Ay i was just following the portrait, even then her in-game ears are pretty much the same spot.

ok

sorry

[PunkShark]

Just now, 4 Da LOLs said:

ok

sorry

No need to apologize, if it sounded aggressive it wasn't supposed to. In that case I need to apologize.

 

I apologize.

[FreyaMaluk]

Just now, bugsmand said:

Ay i was just following the portrait, even then her in-game ears are pretty much the same spot.

I think the position of the ears here is not a big of a deal compared to how much she improved from in-game perma sad face

ears are easier to tweak and move around

[4 Da LOLs]

2 minutes ago, bugsmand said:

I apologize.

its fine

[FreyaMaluk]

3 hours ago, bugsmand said:

Now idk if the bobbing hair would still work, but i decided to try and redesign her as well.

 

I added your art to OP.. to keep it all clean in the first post.. ty again  ofc I credit you

[Bluegeist]

I actually don't mind the frown. I'd just rather she not look like a lost child.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, bugsmand said:

Now idk if the bobbing hair would still work, but i decided to try and redesign her as well.

 

@Jason/@bizziboi/@HugoM/@anyoneinthehamlerartteam

(wouldn't normally do this but now I feel this art change should be 100% made.)

[Mueck]

Just to add: There is also an issue with the front hair part being visible when she's struck by lightning. There's an image of it on her wiki page.

[FreyaMaluk]

7 minutes ago, Mueck said:

Just to add: There is also an issue with the front hair part being visible when she's struck by lightning. There's an image of it on her wiki page.

ty for this... probs will include in OP to have all info all neat in one place

edit-- btw .. I credited you for pointing this out