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I said it before and I'll say it again. For as much as it's cool that we get a new character. I have no idea why he looks so UGLY compared to the portrait and the way he's shown outside of gameplay...

 

Just my own personal opinion.

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On 3/25/2019 at 8:32 PM, Zeklo said:

Alright, so first and foremost I wanna cover some things really quick: 
CHARACTERS ARE NOT OMNISCIENT

What I mean is characters say things that are not always true. For example, if characters use a particular pronoun for a creature that doesn't mean that's the proper one. Each character is looking at the world through their own lens so they see and comment on it differently. Wigfrid is constantly saying stuff relating to Valhalla and other norse-myth locations, but we are not taking that as fact. Wendy taking about Krampus coming from "the underworld" is no different. Krampus is a devil like creature, plenty would make that assumption....

I guess Wendy wasn't wrong after all xD

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On 3/23/2019 at 5:54 PM, lifetheuniverse said:

He might just be a natural resident of the Constant. The Ancients were already there, and he shares similarities with other 'demons', who just happen to seem very similar to the Ancient Skeleton.
Maxwell and Charlie might've reassembled parts of the world, but it still has a history.

Its kinda like Wortox will be a playable NPC, haha. Some benign entity that wanders the land, and happened across some interesting little humans.
...alternatively because of the Uncorrupted skin, he might've been human at one time, but is irreversibly 'a part' of the Constant now. Can't really see a demon dog going back to real world.

 

 

Cool that that image is actually from the trailer; I had assumed it was concept art.
Wild style shifts like that are cool as long as they're not like, in-game next to normal art that makes it look out of place. Looking forward to it!
I wonder if we'll be getting a small preview of what Wes will be like...

Wortox is not the first character we see that is from the Constant... Wilba and Wormwood are too

Also on his true origin:

 

It's possible that he might have come from the Gorge, as I suggested before. Mumsy alludes that she will hop after the characters and maybe Krampus has magical powers that allowed him to travel back and forth

OR 

He comes from another parallel universe we haven't seen yet... maybe he comes from the "other biomes" we are gonna encounter later according to the roadmap

 

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6 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I guess Wendy wasn't wrong after all xD

Depends what you mean. Neither the Forge nor the Gorge are "the underworld". Unless you're referring to the Forge due to the fire. We don't end up seeing "Imps" in either of those areas either. Originating from the gateway basically entails endless possibilities of places we have yet to see or may never see.

That said, I've always found Swineclops to be remarkably similar to Klaus save for the different head-shape.

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9 hours ago, Zeklo said:

Depends what you mean. Neither the Forge nor the Gorge are "the underworld". Unless you're referring to the Forge due to the fire. We don't end up seeing "Imps" in either of those areas either. Originating from the gateway basically entails endless possibilities of places we have yet to see or may never see.

I understand your idea that every character has his own point of view and understanding of the world and they accordingly describe what they see, but if we are just gonna discard everything they say cuz it's highly unreliable, what's the point anyways in discussing lore questions anyways. 

When we were discussing there where mainly 2 ideas: Wortox might have come from regular goats and me and others were arguing the following:

  • We got some info from the Gorge saying that Gorge goats (Mumsy) could hop though the gateway into DST
  • Wendy's indication that Krampus is a "creature from the underworld" 
  • Wortox looks like Krampus
  • Klaus looks like a goat and many characters identify him as a goat in their quotes
  • The only place we have seem a worlds in a goat civilization was the Gorge, reachable via atrium. 
  • The atrium is in the "underworld," meaning the ruins
  • Doesn't make much sense that he came from regular goats since he is supposed to be from the underworld and goats in DST don't live there.

What I meant with Wendy being right is the Wortox came into the DST world via atrium... in the underworld, as from what kinda place he is really from we don't really know yet

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The fact that we never saw "imps" in Gorge doesn't mean they weren't there before the Gnaw appeared. But they were represented in the statues after their "disappearance"??

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 They certainly look more like historical representations of imps, kinda devil-like almost gargoyle-ish and quite different from Mumsy and Billy

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BTW, further down in the same post I posted what I think now, which also touches upon the idea that we haven't seen yet where Wortox is from. Although we can't rule out per se that Gorge is a possibility.

9 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Also on his true origin:

It's possible that he might have come from the Gorge, as I suggested before. Mumsy alludes that she will hop after the characters and maybe Krampus has magical powers that allow him to travel back and forth

OR 

He comes from another parallel universe we haven't seen yet... maybe he comes from the "other biomes" we are gonna encounter later according to the roadmap

Now this

9 hours ago, Zeklo said:

That said, I've always found Swineclops to be remarkably similar to Klaus save for the different head-shape.

Tbh I don't see the resemblance between Swineclops and Klaus at all. Don't starve style is pretty much all about the head being the most distictive feature of the creature and if you take that away I dont think there is reason to think there is a strong connection. Their horns are curved in different shapes, Swineclops has a snout while Klaus has a pointy nose, Swineclops has one eye reminiscent to Deerclops rather than Klaus, Klaus doesn't have armor, different fur color, Klaus has claws.... The only similar feature is the chains around their bodies.

 

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I found an interest trivia fact in the wiki that makes a little more sense

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The Infernal Swineclops' appearance is based on the Minotaur, a Greek mythological creature, in similarity to the Ancient Guardian. This is also interesting to note about his beetle-like appearance, too; the Romanian noun for "taur" is referenced to the real-life stag beetle.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I understand your idea that every character has his own point of view and understanding of the world and they accordingly describe what they see, but if we are just gonna discard everything they say cuz it's highly unreliable, what's the point anyways in discussing lore questions anyways. 

When we were discussing there where mainly 2 ideas: Wortox might have come from regular goats and me and others were arguing the following:

  • We got some info from the Gorge saying that Gorge goats (Mumsy) could hop though the gateway into DST
  • Wendy's indication that Krampus is a "creature from the underworld" 
  • Wortox looks like Krampus
  • Klaus looks like a goat and many characters identify him as a goat in their quotes
  • The only place we have seem a worlds in a goat civilization was the Gorge, reachable via atrium. 
  • The atrium is in the "underworld," meaning the ruins
  • Doesn't make much sense that he came from regular goats since he is supposed to be from the underworld and goats in DST don't live there.

What I meant with Wendy being right is the Wortox came into the DST world via atrium... in the underworld, as from what kinda place he is really from we don't really know yet

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The fact that we never saw "imps" in Gorge doesn't mean they weren't there before the Gnaw appeared. But they were represented in the statues after their "disappearance"

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 They certainly look more like historical representations of imps, kinda devil-like almost gargoyle-ish and quite different from Mumsy and Billy

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BTW, further down in the same post I posted what I think now, which also touches upon the idea that we haven't seen yet where Wortox is from. Although we can't rule out per se that Gorge is a possibility.

Now this

Tbh I don't see the resemblance between Swineclops and Klaus at all. Don't starve style is pretty much all about the head being the most distictive feature of the creature and if you take that away I dont think there is reason to think there is a strong connection. Their horns are curved in different shapes, Swineclops has a snout while Klaus has a pointy nose, Swineclops has one eye reminiscent to Deerclops rather than Klaus, Klaus doesn't have armor, different fur color, Klaus has claws.... The only similar feature is the chains around their bodies.

 

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I found an interest trivia fact in the wiki that makes a little more sense

 

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I like your analysis, did you inspect Klaus with Wortox, he said "Are not we brothers?", We knew that Wortox had a connection with Krampus, but Klaus did not come to my mind, whereas yet they are all three of the same family !

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1 hour ago, Philsam said:

I like your analysis, did you inspect Klaus with Wortox, he said "Are not we brothers?", We knew that Wortox had a connection with Krampus, but Klaus did not come to my mind, whereas yet they are all three of the same family !

Yeap. that quote does relate them together. That' BTW, he also recognizes Krampus 

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I was hopping for some insight into the Fuelweaver too, he coming through the ancient gate and all that..

He recognizes what is pretty much clear by now... Fuelweaver's body and his mind don't belong together and he is kinda messed up in the head. 

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The idea of Wortox's mind not being right reminds me a little bit of a kinda Jekyll and Hyde type of situation. He probs feels conflicted with the notion of good and evil in himself sometimes.

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2 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

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I found an interest trivia fact in the wiki that makes a little more sense

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The Infernal Swineclops' appearance is based on the Minotaur, a Greek mythological creature, in similarity to the Ancient Guardian. This is also interesting to note about his beetle-like appearance, too; the Romanian noun for "taur" is referenced to the real-life stag beetle.

 

 

First off, even with their differences, is fairly clear Deerclops, Klaus, and Swineclops have a common ancestor - same type of feet (small and walking on the plantar area), same kind of forearms (big and bulky - except Deer, yet all have clawed fingers, even though one can argue Swine ones were beveled because of its training to punch), single eye (seems Klaus has it stitched in an X shape - no, there aren't 2 sockets there, just one), furry body (of different colors - Swine is more "worked out" being basically a boxer as opposed to Deer and especially Klaus), 2 horns (of different shapes). They are different in details but have same base-figure, specie if you wanna call it like that. Furthermore Swine seems to be hybridized with another creature 'cause of the beetle carapace (btw: the "real-life stag beetle" you mentioned.. in Romanian is called "rădașcă" and no, it isn't nicknamed bull/ox-bug aka the Ro noun "taur", but "gândac cerb", aka deer-bug because of shapes of the red oversized mandibles of male stag beetles; bulls here have small horns as opposed to what variants one might find in South-West EU - and yes, am a Romanian; also as an adjacent trivia: in Ro Stag-Beetle species are almost extinct because our "wonderful and bravely entrepreneurship" authorities massively deforested oak forests... actually any kind of forests - yeey f#$king Romania corrupt socialist governments).

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3 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I understand your idea that every character has his own point of view and understanding of the world and they accordingly describe what they see, but if we are just gonna discard everything they say cuz it's highly unreliable, what's the point anyways in discussing lore questions anyways. 

You don't discard everything. There are many things which are reliable. It's a matter of what they may know and what they are unlikely to know. Maxwell for example is very knowledgeable about the Constant, and nightmare magic but not as knowledgeable about the Ancients. Things he says about this stuff can be taken ad creditable because of his background.

In the case of Wendy we have little reason to believe she knows anything extra about the Constant + the inhabitants. If you want to stretch it you could argue she knows a bit about magic since her sister is somehow bound to a flower-but this isn't as creditable because it's not a for sure.

Wendy's Krampus quote didn't change when the gateway was introduced or they traveled to the Forge/Gorge. Most character quotes are based on their know-how as soon as they entered the Constant anyway. With DST this extends to having different Maxwell quotes and quotes that refer to other survivors. Wendy is infactuated with death. It makes sense she would chalk up a devil-like creature's origins to "the underworld". It makes less sense for her to actually know the origin of imps-unless she had some additionsl backstory with them. But as it stands that's too many assumptions leaving the safest bet to attribute it to personality.

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5 hours ago, x0VERSUS1y said:

 

First off, even with their differences, is fairly clear Deerclops, Klaus, and Swineclops have a common ancestor - same type of feet (small and walking on the plantar area), same kind of forearms (big and bulky - except Deer, yet all have clawed fingers, even though one can argue Swine ones were beveled because of its training to punch), single eye (seems Klaus has it stitched in an X shape - no, there aren't 2 sockets there, just one), furry body (of different colors - Swine is more "worked out" being basically a boxer as opposed to Deer and especially Klaus), 2 horns (of different shapes). They are different in details but have same base-figure, specie if you wanna call it like that. Furthermore Swine seems to be hybridized with another creature 'cause of the beetle carapace (btw: the "real-life stag beetle" you mentioned.. in Romanian is called "rădașcă" and no, it isn't nicknamed bull/ox-bug aka the Ro noun "taur", but "gândac cerb", aka deer-bug because of shapes of the red oversized mandibles of male stag beetles; bulls here have small horns as opposed to what variants one might find in South-West EU - and yes, am a Romanian; also as an adjacent trivia: in Ro Stag-Beetle species are almost extinct because our "wonderful and bravely entrepreneurship" authorities massively deforested oak forests... actually any kind of forests - yeey f#$king Romania corrupt socialist governments).

wow.. that was very interesting with the language details... and other stuff... xD

The wiki quote mentioned "stag beetle" not ox or bull... Stag as in

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 it actually makes a good argument for Deerclops.

I see your point that the have some similarities being big one-eyed creatures with hoofs and fur. If you ask me, the stronger connection comes back to Deerclops as their shared ancestor. Then, each species "evolved" from there. It makes more sense to me comparing Klaus and Swineclops as being derived from Deerclops that comparing Klaus and Swineclops together, cuz there isn't much info relating both, while there are lots of details linking each oner to Deerclops. 

If Deerclops is their ancester, then:

  • Swineclops is then a 3 way hybrid. He has a closer relation to Deerclops by using similar name derived from one-eyed Cyclops. And the Romanian language reference as "stag-bette" or "deer-beettle" has a meta language alluding to deers again. He is also a pig cuz Forge.
  • Klaus has 2 No-Eyed-Deers accompanying him. His sack can only be opened by No-Eyed-Deers' deer antlers. Upon the fight u get the "real" antler... that is pretty much Deerclops a set of Deerclops horns.

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4 hours ago, Zeklo said:

You don't discard everything. There are many things which are reliable. It's a matter of what they may know and what they are unlikely to know. Maxwell for example is very knowledgeable about the Constant, and nightmare magic but not as knowledgeable about the Ancients. Things he says about this stuff can be taken ad creditable because of his background.

In the case of Wendy we have little reason to believe she knows anything extra about the Constant + the inhabitants. If you want to stretch it you could argue she knows a bit about magic since her sister is somehow bound to a flower-but this isn't as creditable because it's not a for sure.

Wendy's Krampus quote didn't change when the gateway was introduced or they traveled to the Forge/Gorge. Most character quotes are based on their know-how as soon as they entered the Constant anyway. With DST this extends to having different Maxwell quotes and quotes that refer to other survivors. Wendy is infactuated with death. It makes sense she would chalk up a devil-like creature's origins to "the underworld". It makes less sense for her to actually know the origin of imps-unless she had some additionsl backstory with them. But as it stands that's too many assumptions leaving the safest bet to attribute it to personality.

ofc I'm not saying Wendy knows exactly about the Atrium etc, but since she is obsessed with death and she is pretty familiar with spooky stories (the woman in the lake, etc) I don't see why couldn't she have read some folktales about imps as part of her curiosity interests. 

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3 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

~not putting full quote cause it takes space xD

Imagine if Klaus and Swineclop are just variant of Deerclops. Like the "Deerclop" variant in the Forge world is the Swineclop. Klaus could be the Deerclop variant of the world of krampii (if such a place exist).

I mean we can see pigs variants trough The Constant, The Forge and The Gorge. That phenomenon could also apply to Deerclop !

With such a theory in mind, imagine if each world had variants of other giants like that! (Forge bearger >.<) Or just any mob !

Also fact worth nothing, when the survivor enters The Forge and The Gorge, their skins change to fit the world they are in (gladiator and victorian skins).

 

But hey thats just my theory :)

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I think that those are all different creatures,Imps are lesser demons which are taught by Krampii as their supervisors,and Klaus is just magically enforced Krampus with power.Wortox as an Imp get somehow the power to suck souls,he sucked Krampus and he is now part demon part imp so he is propably stronger than Krampus,so what if Klaus was an imp that sucked up so much souls which transformed him in his normal look,or,he is Krampus that sucked other Krampiis,or got in touch with dark magic(Them ?).Reign of Giants were taking part when Wilson ruled the constant.He made up Giant animals like Deerclops.Infernal Swineclops is old giant which got enslaved by Pugna.He is propably normal occupant of Forge.

If you are asking why klaus have stiched eyes(or eye),I was once at Rhymes with Play where someone asked :"Why does Klaus has stiched eyes?".Answer was:it is moral refference.Blind is the one who judges only by good or bad deeds.We should judge things with their background,not only by deeds."

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