JoeW 42834 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Izuku_Midoriya said: So you’re gonna claim that character draws no aesthetic elements from the age of imperialism? Like the rest of the entire DLC? What is your problem with the character if you’ve caved and admitted the gameplay can make a comeback? I have already explained that earlier in the thread. I am not here to argue, only to explain our thinking on this decision. If you want to have a constructive discussion about the topic, then please do. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ucw 488 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, JoeW said: We could bring back the gameplay, perhaps. But not the character. It would be great to have a character whose perks include exploration right away, especially of the ruins (which is so fun.) Thanks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izuku_Midoriya 195 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, ucw said: It would be great to have a character whose perks include exploration right away, especially of the ruins (which is so fun.) Thanks. That's literally what Warbucks was... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maradyne 6110 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Eh, to many, his character was interesting as well. If we weren't to get that back, mechanics resembling what little he had would probably just cause another upset over the new character not being him. Doesn't seem like explorer or ruins-focused characters should be considered again, as nice of an idea as it was; he got removed, and now confirmation bias is something to consider. Bring any part of him back and one side or the other will backlash, depending on how he's presented. Better to just forget England exists in regard to DS/DST now that it's come to this, TBH. Wouldn't want to bring this fiasco back, and it's open season now, regardless of the reasons the final decision was made. This game's been exposed to politics now. Makes any possible plans for Maxwell backstory inconvenient, though. Edited February 10, 2019 by lifetheuniverse 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dissentist 42 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, ucw said: It would be great to have a character whose perks include exploration right away, especially of the ruins (which is so fun.) Thanks. I'm afraid this is an unacceptable appropriation of ancient cultures, and thus cannot be allowed. The best part is where Joe says his pipe in his avatar is vaping despite being designed based upon an english caricature that predates vaping by literally hundreds of years, he's trolling at this point, and badly. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkylordElberich 1186 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeW said: We could bring back the gameplay, perhaps. But not the character. It's not about the gameplay anymore. 4 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maradyne 6110 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, dissentist said: I'm afraid this is an unacceptable appropriation of ancient cultures, and thus cannot be allowed. The best part is where Joe says his pipe in his avatar is vaping despite being designed based upon an english caricature that predates vaping by literally hundreds of years, he's trolling at this point, and badly. I'd say it's moreso that Klei hasn't had to watch their words so carefully in the past. This is the only time I can recall politics affecting the forum this heavily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 Da LOLs 3740 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, __IvoCZE__ said: I say it's good that the removed him because Wall Street Journal could take him out of context. i dont think they care if they were removed to get a cheap scoop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
__IvoCZE__ 10563 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, 4 Da LOLs said: i dont think they care if they were removed to get a cheap scoop I meant it as both a joke and a literal reality... Some Media right now gets snapped away because people stopped trusting it after they took pewdiepie out of context... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 Da LOLs 3740 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, __IvoCZE__ said: I meant it as both a joke and a literal reality... Some Media right now gets snapped away because people stopped trusting it after they took pewdiepie out of context... i was kinda too lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Variant 10990 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 Stepping into the murky water here, and really, really off topic. But It'd be nice to know what's gonna happen to the Snapdragons. I'm feeling it's the same story with the Crabapples. But still. Also while I'm sad Warbucks has gone missing, I will say I do respect the team's decision. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaribbeanIguana 9 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeW said: We could bring back the gameplay, perhaps. But not the character. I thought the whole issue was that the gameplay wasn't creative enough. If I cared about how each character played first and foremost I'd just play WX/Wicker/Wolfgang. But I don't, so I play as the cool pirate (despite the fact that he's awful outside of SW) and the bad guy from Jumanji (despite the fact that his perks were meager) because I liked their personalities more than the other characters' personalities. I don't know, removing him entirely instead of just changing his perks like you guys did with Warly and rewriting some of his lines doesn't seem right. How many "it's a...thing"s do you guys change from patch to patch? Just pretend the lines that use the word "savages" or reference the East India Trading company are placeholders like that. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maradyne 6110 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, __IvoCZE__ said: I meant it as both a joke and a literal reality... Some Media right now gets snapped away because people stopped trusting it after they took pewdiepie out of context... Man...this. I miss when fun wasn't so regulated. Resette best put into words what I feel toward this situation in another thread. Feels like humanity's just backed itself into a stressful corner lately. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeW 42834 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, CaribbeanIguana said: I thought the whole issue was that the gameplay wasn't creative enough. If I cared about how each character played first and foremost I'd just play WX/Wicker/Wolfgang. But I don't, so I play as the cool pirate (despite the fact that he's awful outside of SW) and the bad guy from Jumanji (despite the fact that his perks were meager) because I liked their personalities more than the other characters' personalities. I don't know, removing him entirely instead of just changing his perks like you guys did with Warly and rewriting some of his lines doesn't seem right. How many "it's a...thing"s do you guys change from patch to patch? Just pretend the lines that use the word "savages" or reference the East India Trading company are placeholders like that. We already changed the strings a long time ago. As I said previously, there was no outrage that this was in response to. It was a decision we made so we can make something new and interesting. What I was saying before with the gameplay was not to say that we would just bring the exact same gameplay back on a new character, but to mean that the gameplay people enjoyed about Warbucks. He was pretty lackluster, but there were aspects to him that people enjoyed and are upset to lose, so we are discussing what to do about that specifically. 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izuku_Midoriya 195 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeW said: but there were aspects to him that people enjoyed and are upset to lose Yeah, like his entire personality and character. 6 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluegeist 1888 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 The character begets the gameplay, there's only so much you can do with a great white hunter/colonist stereotype. There are more options for a ruins exploration character that is not what Warbucks is. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SandvichSpy 399 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JoeW said: In terms of the perfromance issues, we're working on that and will soon have a roadmap on what we expect to have done before we finish early access. Is putting the teleportato or any other form of world-jumping in Hamlet on that roadmap? And if so, would such a feature be able to be retrofitted on pre-existing Hamlet worlds? Edited February 10, 2019 by SandvichSpy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Variant 10990 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, Izuku_Midoriya said: Yeah, like his entire personality and character. Not trying to start stuff, but you're just kind of sitting here repeating yourself. He is gone, the whole team agreed it's for the better, the best we can hope for is that the new character is gonna be just as good! Positive. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkylordElberich 1186 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeW said: We already changed the strings a long time ago. As I said previously, there was no outrage that this was in response to. It was a decision we made so we can make something new and interesting. What I was saying before with the gameplay was not to say that we would just bring the exact same gameplay back on a new character, but to mean that the gameplay people enjoyed about Warbucks. He was pretty lackluster, but there were aspects to him that people enjoyed and are upset to lose, so we are discussing what to do about that specifically. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but are you saying... that you're at least considering bringing Warbucks back? Even if he's going to get a changed personality? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izuku_Midoriya 195 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Angel_Octoling said: Not trying to start stuff, but you're just kind of sitting here repeating yourself. He is gone, the whole team agreed it's for the better, the best we can hope for is that the new character is gonna be just as good! Positive. I’m sitting here repeating myself because no one seems to understand how crazy it is that the a character that vast majority either liked or were neutral towards got uncerimoniously gutted because the devs are out of touch with their player base Edited February 10, 2019 by Izuku_Midoriya 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Variant 10990 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, SkylordElberich said: Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but are you saying... that you're at least considering bringing Warbucks back? Even if he's going to get a changed personality? He just said on page 15 the character is not coming back but the perks might. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkylordElberich 1186 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, Angel_Octoling said: He just said on page 15 the character is not coming back but the perks might. Damn, shouldn't have gotten my hopes up. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dissentist 42 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, CaribbeanIguana said: I thought the whole issue was that the gameplay wasn't creative enough. If I cared about how each character played first and foremost I'd just play WX/Wicker/Wolfgang. But I don't, so I play as the cool pirate (despite the fact that he's awful outside of SW) and the bad guy from Jumanji (despite the fact that his perks were meager) because I liked their personalities more than the other characters' personalities. I don't know, removing him entirely instead of just changing his perks like you guys did with Warly and rewriting some of his lines doesn't seem right. How many "it's a...thing"s do you guys change from patch to patch? Just pretend the lines that use the word "savages" or reference the East India Trading company are placeholders like that. To be fair they have been completely contradicting themselves on this all weekend, basically up until this morning when the official line changed to a firm "we're not bringing him back period", almost as if they're challenging their fan base to be pissed. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watermelen671 19738 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 How do I stop getting notifications from this fire? I unfollowed this, and I'm still getting notified. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maslak 4435 Report post Posted February 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, SandvichSpy said: Is putting the teleportato or any other form of world-jumping in Hamlet on that roadmap? And if so, would such a feature be able to be retrofitted on pre-existing Hamlet worlds? I hope it won't be teleportato but something way different Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
