1TeeMo Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 There is like no reason to delete him completely, really sad. I enjoyed playing him! 12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, bugsmand said: The reason why you shouldn't look at leaked/datamined stuff. things can change, be unused or straight up be deleted. True. People make wrong assumptions thinking that everything they see will be AUTOMATICALLY added to the game. The Early Access games always have diverses changes, adding and removing stuff. Nothing is permanent during that time. Edited February 8, 2019 by Tapirus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magia Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tapirus said: This. People make wrong assumptions thinking that everything they see will be AUTOMATICALLY added to the game. The Early Access games always have diverses changes, adding and removing stuff. Nothing is permanent during that time. Well the thing is, new Wormwood looks bad regardless of anyone seeing the datamined one or not; naturally, people who participate in early access have to point that out hoping it get's fixed. In the end, even relased during ea Wormwood can be removed (like Warbucks) or changed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illusione Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Rest in pigskin Warbucks x~x 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, magia said: Well the thing is, new Wormwood looks bad regardless of anyone seeing the datamined one or not; naturally, people who participate in early access have to point that out hoping it get's fixed. In the end, even relased during ea Wormwood can be removed (like Warbucks) or changed. That's point of Early Access, Hamlet is being used to test stuff and Klei is adding & removing things to see what is better before the official release. DST during Early Access had stuff that was changed and others that were completely removed. The same situation is happening here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxiaogua Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) I like Wormwood's new design better than the old one. Why so much hate? At least the new design's fancy color scheme looks gorgeous and somehow exotic, that really fits Hamlet's overall aesthetics. While the old design looks more chill and down-to-earth, I don't really think that old design would look good in Hamlet. It probably fits RoG's art style better. Edited February 8, 2019 by maxiaogua 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, __IvoCZE__ said: Get rid of Warbucks because I can't see oranges. Monoorangosis? 2 hours ago, POOH_LY said: His horns look like Acientfuelweaver's. Also, the fact that he grows flowers kinda like the forest version raises a few eyebrows. Spoiler Also, what's all this about the sunburnt god being offensive? Have I completely avoided a huge section of these forums? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jynn Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) it'd be neat if it was a helmet he could craft in the Green Thumb tab, similar to his bramble armor then people could have both, and just craft the helm for the horned look Edited February 8, 2019 by Jynn 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, __IvoCZE__ said: Get rid of Warbucks because I can't see oranges. tag your gore/pomegranates Edited February 8, 2019 by lifetheuniverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkShark Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, magia said: Well the thing is, new Wormwood looks bad regardless of anyone seeing the datamined one or not; naturally, people who participate in early access have to point that out hoping it get's fixed. In the end, even relased during ea Wormwood can be removed (like Warbucks) or changed. You're ofcourse entitled to your own opinion, i however in my own opinion still like Wormwood's design. For me Wormwood's design fits perfectly for Hamlet compared to the old one. Like it or not the old one is scrapped as a design. Just like any other character in a game that has gotten through that phaze. Even Wilson went through a bunch of different designs, and i bet your ass if you had seen every single one of em. There's probably a different one you'd have liked than the one we had today. But who knows because we'll never see all of em. Just like Wormwoods old design that should've stayed hidden for the public to see. i do know that some of Wilson's designs have been seen, but again, there was plenty before those i bet, but again who knows, only Klei knows. Was this harsh? That's not what i was trying to do really, i was just trying to prove a point. Edited February 8, 2019 by bugsmand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I think the dispute comes from Release Wormwood looking right for Hamlet, but Scrapped Wormwood looking right for the base game. Both seem kind of out of place in the reverse scenario. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 58 minutes ago, watermelen671 said: Hide contents Also, what's all this about the sunburnt god being offensive? Have I completely avoided a huge section of these forums? From I have *not* seen he kinda looks off than the classic characters, ( wilba is a pig and still her color is less neony than his) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retty Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) Personally I liked Warbucks, and when I found out people thought he was offensive I went "huh?" and looked into it to read about why that is. Before mocking people who find something offensive I think it's a good idea to understand what their arguments are rather than misrepresent them as strawmen. My understanding is that the skin color did bother people mostly because they felt it didn't fit the art style of the game. I haven't seen anyone being offended or "triggered" by the skin color. Maybe there are people declaring the skin color offensive but I personally haven't seen any. The aspect of the character people consider offensive is the fact he's a colonist explorer. When you know history you understand people who were colonizer explorers were involved in killing and oppressing a lot of people. That's why people were the most upset with Warbucks. I'm assuming people aren't explaining it because they don't want to derail the thread and start debates, but we already have people misrepresenting the reason people found Warbucks offensive so I thought I'd explain it real quick. I'm not interested in debating and this will be my only post on this. I'm personally not sure where I stand on the issue. Again, I think Warbucks is cool and unfortunately haven't had the chance to play him yet. (Though people who do mods can help me with that! Hurray mods! I owe people who make good mods my life.) I hope he does come back as an official playable character. ANYWAY..... Wormwood looks super cool, I enjoy the interesting and unique characters Klei designs for us! Me and my girlfriend had just been talking about how we'd love to see more monster type characters and here's Wormwood! The fact the character has multiple forms is super cool. I'm also extremely excited about Willba's werepig form. What a fun idea! I know I'm really going to enjoy her character. Willba is delightful. I'm waiting for Hamlet to be finished before I play it because it was somewhat frustrating for me to play Shipwrecked and have things drastically changed all the time. Hamlet is unfinished, still early access, and I personally think it's looking like a lot of fun so far. I'm really eager and have a somewhat tough time waiting, but I know I'll be happier playing when it's all done. Thanks for everything you do, Klei! I can never thank you enough for all you do. You provide the community with so much content at such a nice price. Klei really stands out compared to a lot of other more greedy companies who charge a ton of money for the DLC, lol. Edited February 8, 2019 by Retty 6 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, lifetheuniverse said: I think the dispute comes from Release Wormwood looking right for Hamlet, but Scrapped Wormwood looking right for the base game. Both seem kind of out of place in the reverse scenario. The first one looks like a mummy that mastered plant magic while the other one looks like a just a bright plant 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhuzha Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I'm 50/50 on new Wormwood's design. I like the new head, the old one looked more like a ram or something, rather than a plant. But I think the old body was cooler, with the gem being partially covered with vines. Now the gem looks like it was glued on at the very last moment as an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zIOZ Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) Wormwood can eats ash to heal and it's broken. Klei please nerf! He burnt his friends just to heal him... Edited February 8, 2019 by zIOZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDragonhead Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 People on the forums are really just not seeing what the negatives are for Warbucks' design. It's not because he's red. Klei made bold moves for that color choice but it breaks the art direction of making the characters look like paper cutouts with paper colored skin. This is where trouble starts, if Warbucks could have a 'skin color' then characters like Walani and Warly who are PoC shouldn't be left as gray. Another major issue with Warbucks is how he was originally written with quotes that are reminiscent of explorers who've adventures for the purpose of colonizing/extreme darwinism with the idea races evolved from different species/conquering cultures. I guess i'm just a history buff who's more aware of that than most gamers. People argue "it happened in real life, it's okay cuz it was the past". Well I don't think KLEI intended to have a character with a negative back history if he's supposed to be a protagonist to respect. This is the first time KLEI walked on hot coals with a character! and I support their decision of being aware of the criticism and I wish more that they can do any corrections than having to continue on explaining this to this fan base 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) That stuff has already made the rounds in other places on the forum. It was known that he's (well, was before the quote changes that drained the life out of him) a colonial jerk, and completely full of himself. And there are too many references/direct statements clearly backing up what sort of character he was for Klei to have not known what they were doing...but it's a game that makes fun of people's personality flaws, and uses the screwed up nature of the world it creates as game mechanics. The surprise came when people started getting offended over it. If anything, he was just pointing out the already-existing themes of the game; stuff present in the base game, and only amplified in Hamlet. ...it's like if people started getting offended at the existence of the Hamlet DLC period because the pigs at the top of the mountain are clearly more advanced and civilized than the lesser culture led by the Pig King. Or at any of the characters using the world to their advantage in the base game. Warbucks was an issue because human beings like to fight, dominate others and force their ideals onto one-another, and the character simply provided a good opportunity. Which is hilarious, seeing as that behavior through a different lens was exactly what his original character was making fun of. TL;DR Warbucks was brought down by people just like him. Edited February 8, 2019 by lifetheuniverse 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ressayez Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 It was never just about the skin colour for most people from what I understand. The fact he looks like he has a nasty sunburn and is far too oversaturated was never the only thing wrong here. It was the old dialogue, his characterization and his perks, both old and new that struggled to bring anything new and interesting to the table. I think pretending this is all about his skin colour is very disingenuous. ... Also, do any of you actually understand what irony is? You keep using that word and I do not think it means what you think it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellimarual Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, lifetheuniverse said: That stuff has already made the rounds in other places on the forum. It was known that he's (well, was before the quote changes that drained the life out of him) a colonial jerk, and completely full of himself. And there are too many references/direct statements clearly backing up what sort of character he was for Klei to have not known what they were doing...but it's a game that makes fun of people's personality flaws, and uses the screwed up nature of the world it creates as game mechanics. The surprise came when people started getting offended over it. If anything, he was just pointing out the already-existing themes of the game; stuff present in the base game, and only amplified in Hamlet. ...it's like if people started getting offended at the existence of the Hamlet DLC period because the pigs at the top of the mountain are clearly more advanced and civilized than the lesser culture led by the Pig King. Or at any of the characters using the world to their advantage in the base game. Warbucks was an issue because human beings like to fight, dominate others and force their ideals onto one-another, and the character simply provided a good opportunity. Which is hilarious, seeing as that behavior through a different lens was exactly what his original character was making fun of. TL;DR Warbucks was brought down by people just like him. You seem the most offended of all, which I guess makes you the most hilarious? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegeist Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Eww those quotes are so icky. Glad they changed them, but he still gave off bad vibes. 14 minutes ago, SDragonhead said: Gasp, is that the updated character portrait from his art stream? Do you have a cropped version of it? It's for the wiki 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rellimarual said: You seem the most offended of all, which I guess makes you the most hilarious? I'm just bored and wasting time on a forum while i wait for a fairly intense headache brought on by eating far too many sour candies to go away. I have a tendency to type things out way too extensively when I actually get interested in something, so there's that. I think the whole situation is silly, and it brings up memories of pretty bad things happening when people try and eliminate the things that they're not fond of...buuut that's about it. ...I don't know. I've seen things. Different perspectives from different experiences and all that. I've legit been called a robot irl due to how I attempt to filter out emotional responses, so keep that in mind, I guess. Conversations between perceptives are fun to me. If I ever seem too 'animated', it's probably as simple as that. Edited February 8, 2019 by lifetheuniverse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellimarual Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, lifetheuniverse said: I'm just bored and wasting time on a forum while i wait for a fairly intense headache brought on by eating far too many sour candies to go away. I have a tendency to type things out way too extensively when I actually get interested in something, so there's that. I think the whole situation is silly, and it brings up memories of pretty bad things happening when people try and eliminate the things that they're not fond of...buuut that's about it. ...I don't know. I've seen things. Different perspectives from different experiences and all that. I've legit been called a robot irl due to how I attempt to filter out emotional responses, so keep that in mind, I guess. Conversations between perceptives are fun to me. If I ever seem too 'animated', it's probably as simple as that. Ok, thanks. It’s good to know that you don’t really care about this issue, so we don’t have to take your views seriously 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDragonhead Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bluegeist said: Eww those quotes are so icky. Glad they changed them, but he still gave off bad vibes. Gasp, is that the updated character portrait from his art stream? Do you have a cropped version of it? It's for the wiki Here it is, being a screenshot from a stream as is it's not high quality though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rellimarual said: Ok, thanks. It’s good to know that you don’t really care about this issue, so we don’t have to take your views seriously All I meant was that I'm trying to make a case, and I don't see the 'issue' in this issue. That sort of response is why I don't tend to get these sorts of emotional things. It seems more aimed at me than the subject. TBH, I'd be happy enough if Tarzan Grandad just gets brought back with the same fighting, adventuring spirit, regardless of backstory so long as they can write something that fits. The backstory made sense, and it's a shame that subjects like these can't even be made fun of these days without setting people off immediately, but at least his personality and aesthetic would be nice to have back. He's the exact type of person I imagine wearing the Pith Hat and exploring these sorts of lands. Edited February 8, 2019 by lifetheuniverse 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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