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ucw    409
2 minutes ago, SkylordElberich said:

Or me. I just really like Warbucks is all.

Samesies.  Warbucks and his issues have caused the forums to explode.  

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4 Da LOLs    1,734

@SDragonheadwell not to offend but...

people who say they are offended by something mostly avoidable and others of the same ethnicity being fine with it is kinda the defintion of SJW for some people

so i kinda get why they threw that around

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minespatch    50,108

Still, let's thank Joe for being a sheriff to be a peacemaker. He kept his cool in this situation.:wilson_smile:

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Bluegeist    1,042
14 minutes ago, DwerBomb said:

No other unfun character like the SW ones were reworked, there is clearly something else happening: just look at the replies on this thread.

plus saying “you all are being mean” is not a fair way to address my points

 

49 minutes ago, DwerBomb said:

I’ve been with DS since the Beta days...what a long trip it was.

and I’m so, so so very sad to see this game go into the road of censorship.

It hurts.

I can’t accept people’s behavior of entitled “emotional triggers” who want to censor what they find weird or a little different, such a childish way to act. Warbucks was commentary.

  1. This is not censorship, it's a business decision by a company that wants to make money.
  2. Consumers are supposed to voice their concerns about a product, that's normal and good. I don't think it's nice to call them "entitled" "emotional triggers" (confused by this) and blaming them for censorship, and calling them childish.
  3. Warbucks wasn't commentary, he was a boring cardboard cutout of "great white hunter/colonist", with no redeeming qualities. This is a fantastical adventure game, not historical fiction.

Also I want to say I feel bad for not noticing that JoeW clarified the matter of Warbucks' removal, I was avoiding this thread for anxiety reasons. I'm glad he did, and I'll still stand by the fact that this is Klei's decision, and that people shouldn't go after other fans for what they decided.

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Izuku_Midoriya    187
10 minutes ago, Bluegeist said:

Also I want to say I feel bad for not noticing that JoeW clarified the matter of Warbucks' removal, I was avoiding this thread for anxiety reasons. I'm glad he did, and I'll still stand by the fact that this is Klei's decision, and that people shouldn't go after other fans for what they decided.

Their wording kind of implies it wasn’t

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Bluegeist    1,042
11 minutes ago, DwerBomb said:

I already bought the dlc but knowing this can happen is really bad. With your point number one you’re validating my own: people were willing to sabotage a game because they found offense in it.

Where was this sabotage? Or I guess the willingness to sabotage, sorry

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SDragonhead    3,090

Cartoonishly "evil" is better for this type of game compared to mentioning of a very real "evil" that can be pinpointed in a timeline which isn't exactly cartoony at best and sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm just using that word in place of character flaws, plot lines, whatever that makes up the plot and stuff so on so forth 

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Izuku_Midoriya    187
1 minute ago, SDragonhead said:

Cartoonishly "evil" is better for this type of game compared to mentioning of a very real "evil" that can be pinpointed in a timeline which isn't exactly cartoony at best and sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm just using that word in place of character flaws, plot lines, whatever that makes up the plot and stuff so on so forth 

The entire DLC’s setting is representative of the age of imperialism, though.

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Roosev    794
9 minutes ago, JoeW said:

Let's be super clear here. The reason we had issue with him was more because of this type of thread. It wasn't as much the character or what he represents, it's what people think that it does. Like this thread there have been a lot of speculations about our intent, when I clearly said why. We didn't have a single person actually contact us to complain about Warbucks. None. Not even one. There were conversations about it, And even after we changed it, there was speculation and decisions about what we did and why when it's very plainly stated.

The simple fact is, we could do better. So we did. If we were trying to sweep him under the rug, we would have removed him entirely. We didn't. I'm sorry that some of you disagree with that decision, but we aren't going to invest more time into it, we put that time into a new character instead.

As far as being upset because of a misrepresentation of what's in the game, we did add a new character in his place. An objectively better character gameplay-wise. We are still in an early-access for the game, that's being worked on added to and changed, but I am sorry you feel that we are misrepresenting what we are doing with the game, but I don't think we are hiding that fact at all.

We will make a new trailer for sure. We're currently working out a roadmap for what we need to get completed to finish early access for the game. 

It's cool for us to talk about this. But let's keep it civil. We're not up to anything weird. Simply when we were in a room talking about how to 'fix' Warbucks, we simply decided our time was better spent on something new. It's that simple. 

Any chances of him at least getting added back into the official line up in his current state? I still enjoyed playing as him and I can't say no to extra content!

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Roosev    794
4 minutes ago, JoeW said:

I mean. Normally I would say it's possible. But at this point he carries a lot of baggage, right? Anything we might do and even if we did nothing people would assume that means something. Basically he's an issue that no matter what we say or do with him people are going to make assumptions that really limit our creative freedom. 

It's a regrettable situation, for sure.

I see.

I am not going to act like I didn't gossip about the intentions behind him, as I did do so.

The whole situation... It's just a damn shame.

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magia    128
2 minutes ago, JoeW said:

It absolutely is. 

Frankly what we learned from this is that the characters really can be made a lot more interesting than they have been. This is part of our big QOL push across multiple games.

Since we naturally flown onto the topic of QOL, could you share with us official KLEI stance on implementation of the whip in the Hamlet? Or more seriously, are you guys even considering it? It could be nice to hope for that low % chance of aoe stun in the DLC which is about them mob swarms.

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SplOrange    163
1 minute ago, Izuku_Midoriya said:

I don’t enjoy playing wormwood at all. I enjoyed warbucks greatly. I liked being at home in the towns and amassing mountains of oincs while going on expeditions to ruins right off the bat. Stating that he’s “objectively” better makes you look really out of touch.

that sounds like something you can do as every other character... warbucks just made the coins slightly raise your sanity

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Izuku_Midoriya    187
Just now, SplOrange said:

that sounds like something you can do as every other character... warbucks just made the coins slightly raise your sanity

You can’t go to ruins and effectively harvest relics and gold right off the bat. Hamlet leaves a lot of grinding for uninteresting stuff playing as any other character. Warbucks starting with a bit of explorer’s gear meant you could skip that bell curve a bit and let me experience more of the DLC faster. 

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