_FrostyFoxy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Hei i just made a more efficent way to spread oxygen in your base :). The only thing i forgit is that the Oxygen heats up xD maybe I'll fix that later ;D. Here's the Download link of the Map :):http://workupload.com/file/m9wF6uE ScreenShot (whole base was created with the Debug-Tool): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The most efficient way of filling your base with oxygen I have found is using gas permeable tiles and free standing electrolyzers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moggles Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I like the tight pressurised rooms approach myself. Just a preference. But this is a bit too air tight. You'll need some way to remove CO2 in those rooms. Or does it all tend to be forced in to that central ladder shaft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Moggles said: I like the tight pressurised rooms approach myself. Just a preference. But this is a bit too air tight. You'll need some way to remove CO2 in those rooms. Or does it all tend to be forced in to that central ladder shaft? The CO2 just disapear if there is enough Oxygen pressure ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Kasuha said: The most efficient way of filling your base with oxygen I have found is using gas permeable tiles and free standing electrolyzers. But Still you have the problem with the Hydrogen ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left4twenty Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 No carbon dioxide.. yet, until that one defiant block manages to survive and begins to absorb more and more. I think the hydrogen in the other example all rises to that spot where all the red can be seen collected, and is pumped (?) To a hydrogen genny maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 could be tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, _FrostyFoxy said: But Still you have the problem with the Hydrogen ^^ Not at all. The red dots you see around the base are carbon dioxide packets breathed out by my dupes. If you check the image, two electrolyzers are way up below the roof, out of the way. And there is one pump at the top and every once in a while it tastes the air and pumps any hydrogen it finds to hydrogen generators that help powering the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komi Neko Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Can't look at the map right now, but had a question. Now, I've been playing the game straight up, no debug, so learning about things as they come. I had come to an idea similar to this (Mostly because I put some electrolyzers in the open, and upon seeing the hydrogen I figured I needed a better approach to filter that and use it) in that I put a pair of electrolyzers in a room and an air pump, filtering hydrogen to one side and pushing the oxygen along a tube that I drove through several vents. Now, to my surprise, because I thought that the vents might have a very limited output capacity (actually I thought I generated more oxygen from just one electrolyzer), all the oxygen was dumped on the first vent . Is there a way to balance the load (aside using a valve), or in the idea as shown on the first post it's working on the basis that one room becomes filled up to pressure limit, then the next, then the other and so on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, Komi Neko said: Now, to my surprise, because I thought that the vents might have a very limited output capacity (actually I thought I generated more oxygen from just one electrolyzer), all the oxygen was dumped on the first vent . Is there a way to balance the load (aside using a valve), or in the idea as shown on the first post it's working on the basis that one room becomes filled up to pressure limit, then the next, then the other and so on? A vent will block if the air pressure on it is 2000 g of gas or more. Otherwise it will release any packet that comes to it. If you put an input port (the green one) of something (including a vent) straight on the pipe, it will grab any packet of liquid or gas that comes under it as long as it is able to process it. To balance the distribution, you need to split the pipe before you connect it to input ports. Each split will alternate the packets between its output branches, 2-way split will alternate between the two, 3-way split will alternate between the three. That means, getting balanced distribution over more than two outputs may be tricky as you cannot just route the pipe around the outputs and make a 2-way split at each of them, the first one would get 1/2, second 1/4, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moggles Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Out of these venting layouts am I right in thinking that setup C is the most fairly distributed for 4 vents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 i just did it like in setup A and everything works ._: EDIT: But I think the most fairly setup is setup C yea but u will need much space to build that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, Moggles said: Out of these venting layouts am I right in thinking that setup C is the most fairly distributed for 4 vents? C is only rearrangement of B so B and C are the same. 1 minute ago, _FrostyFoxy said: i just did it like in setup A and everything works ._: It certainly works in the sense that each vent gets some gas. But unless they're blocked by pressure and the pipe gets full, the first vent gets 1/2 of all gas, the second gets 1/4, and the last two get 1/8 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Kasuha said: It certainly works in the sense that each vent gets some gas. But unless they're blocked by pressure and the pipe gets full, the first vent gets 1/2 of all gas, the second gets 1/4, and the last two get 1/8 each. didn't thought about that well i guess you're right ^^ so i should change the pipe system ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, _FrostyFoxy said: didn't thought about that well i guess you're right ^^ so i should change the pipe system ._. All the vents in your screenshot are overpressured. That suggests the pipe is full and there's some air waiting at each vent. You don't need to change your piping as long as you keep your rooms pressurized. I'm rather surprised you don't have problem with CO2. It doesn't look like it has somewhere to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Kasuha said: I'm rather surprised you don't have problem with CO2. It doesn't look like it has somewhere to go. it just disapears if the is to much oxygen ^^ i realy don't know why but it does xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moggles Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Kasuha said: C is only rearrangement of B so B and C are the same. Thanks that make sense. B isn't too bad on space either. 6 minutes ago, _FrostyFoxy said: it just disapears if the is to much oxygen ^^ i realy don't know why but it does xD It honestly looks like it is just pooling at the bottom of the ladder. The lowest part of the base, I guess the extreme pressure is forcing it down there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 the doors would keep it in those rooms ^^° so the only thing that is able to go there is the CO2 from the upper room What u can do is putting an AlgeaTarrarium in the LadderShaft so there is fresh air and cleaning the CO2 ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moggles Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I'd have to try the layout myself on a non debug world. I ran your save for a few cycles and noticed that the lower 6 vents are not connected to the gas pump and you have quantities of hundreds or sometimes thousands of Kg oxygen which is normally not possible? The highest pressure I have reached in a clean sealed room on a non debug world was around 2000g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FrostyFoxy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 yea i saw that too later I realy dont know how thats possible but it is i guess ._. the only thing thats not possible is the mass of water in that room that are over 100.000kg i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinstar Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Kasuha said: A vent will block if the air pressure on it is 2000 g of gas or more. Otherwise it will release any packet that comes to it. If you put an input port (the green one) of something (including a vent) straight on the pipe, it will grab any packet of liquid or gas that comes under it as long as it is able to process it. To balance the distribution, you need to split the pipe before you connect it to input ports. Each split will alternate the packets between its output branches, 2-way split will alternate between the two, 3-way split will alternate between the three. That means, getting balanced distribution over more than two outputs may be tricky as you cannot just route the pipe around the outputs and make a 2-way split at each of them, the first one would get 1/2, second 1/4, etc. Can't you use valves to ensure even distribution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive_Lurker Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Probably a stupid question but gasses CAN pass through each other through a 1 by 1 hole in the floor/gasperm tile right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Pinstar said: Can't you use valves to ensure even distribution? That depends. I'd say valves are irrelevant for even distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKURO Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Is it enough with just 1 pump? I usually just make an airtight 4x4 room with 1 electrolyzer and 2 pumps. Since electrolyzer generates oxygen and hydrogen at much faster rate than pumps, it usually just stops pumping because of max gas pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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