kambing Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Forget about digging all the way down to magma in order to heat up some water. Make your own steam with your very own batteries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elviraa Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Nice - great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrachronos Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 During work I was theorizing about it, since those batteries seem to be permanently stuck at 126.9C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilda Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Nice, do batteries work when submerged? If so, then it would make a nice distillation pool with come cooling on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrachronos Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Actually I found something even better than batteries. It turns out stuff you build stays at the temperature the construction material was at when it was built(hence the 6.9 degree tiles beneath the portal, and the plenty of temp differences in your structures), but will still transmit that heat/cold to the surrounding air. So if you were to find a way to make a material really really hot, like dumping a load of obsidian into lava and waiting for it to heat up, you'd be able to make a hotplate from hell by making tiles out of it. Though I am not sure whether it would be better to use something like obsidian(which can handle much higher temperatures) or something like copper(which has a much higher thermal conductivity) for the hot side. For the cold side things are much more simple, pre-cooled granite(high thermal conductivity stone) for the gas containment/condensation tiles and pre-cooled copper(highest thermal conductivity metal) for the gas permeable tiles. How you decide to cool it down is up to you(perhaps cooling some gas with a thermo regulator and putting that with our materials in an highly isolated room), but I'd suggest trying to get as close to 0 degrees Celsius as possible without going below it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kambing Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 Thats a great observation. However tiles do cool down and heat up over time, but batteries will never be anything other than 126.9C. In fact, the enclosed oxygen in my battery room has gone up to 500C at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrachronos Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, kambing said: Thats a great observation. However tiles do cool down and heat up over time, but batteries will never be anything other than 126.9C. In fact, the enclosed oxygen in my battery room has gone up to 500C at one point. Â Are we talking about naturally occurring tiles, or constructed tiles? Because I'm fairly certain constructed tiles stick to their temperature, natural tiles however don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kambing Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, terrachronos said: Â Are we talking about naturally occurring tiles, or constructed tiles? Because I'm fairly certain constructed tiles stick to their temperature, natural tiles however don't. oh good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elviraa Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 It would a bit tricky to swing but I have a base near abysslite atm. If I could build the insulated room like you have demonstrated to create the steam I think a condensation room above this - connected by gas permeable tiles could work if the ceiling of the condensation room was made out of natural abysslite tiles. You then have a man mad distillery for contaminated water. AKA - no sand necessary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilda Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Well, it does not seem to be working :-/ Water temperature is not rising and no steam in sight. Edit: ehm, noticed there is an abysslite right under the checked tile, but others are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilda Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Update: Well, it apparently happens, but very, very slowly and the state of the water stays contaminated. Might be the case of surrounding oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kambing Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 yeah it is very slow. also I don't think you need abyssalite in particular, just anything that is cooler than 100C. Also the water is contaminated by the debris lying on the ground I think. I'll try to prototype a few using the debug mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilda Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 7 hours ago, kambing said: yeah it is very slow. also I don't think you need abyssalite in particular, just anything that is cooler than 100C. Also the water is contaminated by the debris lying on the ground I think. I'll try to prototype a few using the debug mode. This one happened to be right next door with water under it so it seemed like a right spot for experiment Not sure if the clutter should cause that, it is all abyssalite and normal water is fine with thing laying in it. I put some filters there and will see in time. Edit: hmm, you actually can not put abyssalite in storage. I ll have carefully deconstruct underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunny Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The abyssalite ceiling isn't a good idea because it doesn't transfer heat at all. Cooling the room above it and using conductive ceiling would however work well with moving the energy contained in the steam upwards. It's also possible to make ice and use that for cooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kambing Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 I did some steam experiments in the magma area, and it seems like the precipitation occurs mostly when it is in contact with colder air, not the walls or ceilings, so cooling with air conditioner would work just fine in theory. My main problem has been creating enough steam in the first place to actually make it worthwhile. Heat transfer just doesn't work very well in this game yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilda Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Agree, the heating is definitely the issue right now. 10 cycles and nothing, I am starting to thing my Dupes just barfed up that previous poodle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elviraa Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I fiddled a ton with magma and a steam room last night. It seems that with space around a hydrogen generator you can create a ton of steam quickly. I had two generators side by side but with no space for steam creation nothing happened. As soon as I removed the second this happened. The room I have now is a train wreck after hours of experimenting. I think I can get a clean set up tonight and share a man made distillery that actually quickly produces alot of steam. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.n.y Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Elviraa said: I fiddled a ton with magma and a steam room last night. It seems that with space around a hydrogen generator you can create a ton of steam quickly. I had two generators side by side but with no space for steam creation nothing happened. As soon as I removed the second this happened. The room I have now is a train wreck after hours of experimenting. I think I can get a clean set up tonight and share a man made distillery that actually quickly produces alot of steam. Â Great job! Gonna try it myself Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrachronos Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The hydrogen generator probably works because it actively emits heat(and quite a lot too), so I'm going to make the wild guess that the thermo regulator is going to function as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elviraa Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 hours ago, terrachronos said: The hydrogen generator probably works because it actively emits heat(and quite a lot too), so I'm going to make the wild guess that the thermo regulator is going to function as well. Yeah I think your right. The trick seems to find a crazy hot source for heat with a decent amount of space. A thermo regulator would probably work really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrachronos Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Elviraa said: Yeah I think your right. The trick seems to find a crazy hot source for heat with a decent amount of space. A thermo regulator would probably work really well. Â Well probably not as good as the hydrogen generator, but the thermo regulator works as long as there is a coolable gas fed into it, which should be much more stable than the hydrogen supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaTiK Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Elviraa said: Yeah I think your right. The trick seems to find a crazy hot source for heat with a decent amount of space. A thermo regulator would probably work really well. Note, however, that by having genuinely crazy heatsorce - say magma, and then dripping water on top will create steam at 300-400C. Not ideal. Trick is to just boil water to steam and then quickly cool it down - even with thremoregulator if need be. I once had a quite nice sauna for base -Â just poured water directly to magma at the bottom, and steam went all the way up, loosing very little temprature. So in the end it still had 150-200C and heated my base like a nice cosy sauna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elviraa Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Base I started tonight with a steam room in mind....If you look at the left hand side of the base you will see the area for the steam room. The contaminated water to fuel it is below the batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kambing Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 That looks exciting. Let us know how well it worked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilda Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Nice design, inspirative But your water tank seems to be developing cracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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