# Nativel

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1. ## How are you supposed to cool water?

hehehe, no problem
2. ## How are you supposed to cool water?

Сори что так долго не отвечал. Я понял, сделай водоотвод длиннее, чтобы он у тебя уперся в лед и делай стенки из гранита, чем дальше стечет тем холодней станет. А клапан настроен на 6 персон 900 грамм в секунду, но тоже иногда надо убавлять иногда прибавлять, делаю это для того чтобы вода не переполнялась, у меня гейзер заперт и оттуда вода не выльется, и не важно, что я забираю меньше, чем выдает гейзер.

4. ## Why I hate this game?

Do you realy think people never use technics of other people? When I see some good solution, I take it and rebuild it with impruvments.
5. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

It's game, we even have liquid carbon dioxide here on normal pressure. So...
6. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

no it's not, if you will use Celsius you will gain Celsius as a result, if you will use Kelvin, you will gain Kelvin as a result, because it's familiar degree scale, the difference is only 273.15 degrees. But it won't work with Fahrenheit, hehehe, I hope you know why, Thank you. And yep, I know it's could be different in the game calculation. Look, you just type about (specific heat of fusion of ice) = (1000kg) * (334, yes! it's that high) = 334,000 kJ and now you think it's impossible because when water became liquid we have different formula. So remuve your 334,000 kJ then and you will gain dT you looking for, or I don't know what are try to do.
7. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

If we will use your formula and place 20000 kg of ICE -200C in 1000kg of water +20C TempEQ will be -62,037C On my formula TempEQ will be -179,64C with again I belive more.
8. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

Average energy have no proportion in material mass and we don't have proportion in TempEq formula with is wrong, so we can take 1 gramm of ICE(0,001kg) at -200C and 1000kg of water 20C, and let's calculte what happen with them on your formula: -200*2,05*-0,001=-0.41 for ICE 20*4,18*1000=83600 for Water Now Total -0,41+83600=83599,59 Average 83599,59/2=41799,795 no proportion of mass we just split on 2. Temp EQ=41799/(((2.05+4.18)/2)*(0,001+1000))=13,42C Still have no proportion of mass in this formula and because of that we've got this. Have you belive 1 gramm of ICE could cool down 1000kg of water to the 13,41C from 20C? Now let's calculate with proportion: 2.05*0,001=0.00205 for ICE total heat capacity 4,18*1000=4180 for water heat capacity Now heat capacity proportion: Total heat capacity 4180+0.00205=4180.00205(100%) For ICE in % it will be 0,00205/4180.00205*100 = 0.000049043% For water in % it will be 4180/4180,00205*100 = 99.99995096% Now Temp EQ, we have to use heat capacity proportion but not in % ofc so will devide on 100 Temp EQ = -200C*(0,000049043/100)+20*(99,99995096/100)=19.99989211C with I belive more, cose we have 1 milllion piece of ice mass in water mass. To make it in one formula it will be like this: TempEQ = T1*(HC1*M1/(HС1*M1+HC2*M2))+T2*(HC2*M2/(HC1*M1+HC2*M2), where T1 - temp of first material T2 - temp of second material HC1 - Specific heat capacity of first material HC2 - Specific heat capacity of second material M1 - mass of first material M2 - mass of second material Wanna some more calculations, here file where you can place different mass of ICE and water with different themeratupe and watch how your formula works and mine, here you go: tempEQ.ods
9. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

We slightly go far from main topic, so I've made private message to you.

11. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

I don't wanna disagree with you, and I can't agree, because we have pipes in the game, well, they are not so flat)))I know I know, but really, look on image of the pipe, or storage compactor everything have something like we call 3D. So we can take your or we can take mine theory, why not. Well, I've amazing story for you then: Imagine we have let's say for now 2D world, and some scientist will try to understand 3D barrel, what he will see at start? It could be circle or it could be rectangle, after some time he will start do measures of circles and they all will be same and at some measure he will got nothing, but with rectanles it will be line on the start and wide rectangle on the middle of measures and again line at the end. But to do all of those measures he will spent some time, so time is dimension too, hehehe. So even for 2D world if creatures of this world have time they living in 3D. And we living in 4D dimension, I mean we - people. Ok, now imagine if you can see objects in time not like we do but at the start and to the end. How is that? Let's say you can see barrel at the start when it was melted metall on the plant and to the end when it go on reprocessing plant and became liquid metal again. IT will be 5D, hehehe. Now imagine you can see all what can happen and not only in one string of life but in many of them, you split barrel at the middle of it's life and look what happen next etc. and you can see all string of lifes of this barrel, in one moment just when you look on it, instantly can see all and right now. So you 6D. I know we have 9D, you can watch what mean 9D, hehehe, but even if you can see in 6D your intelligent cannot be able to understand people any more, and people wont be able to understand you, it will be like speech between stone and human, hehehe. I'm crazy russian, hehehe. ok it's just theory.
12. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

Yep, it's something like 90% of thermal energy goes up, and 5% to side out. And one more think at the end of test, we can see that heat go slightly more on left side. I saw it before, with gases, carbon dioxide goes down in oxygen, but it's goes slightly on right side, I suppose we have centr of the mass in this game and it's in bottom-bottom slightly right side. So cold and heavy wight gases will go bottom-bottom-slightly right and heated and light weight gases go upper-upper-slightly left.
13. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

Guys, everything not like in first test with gases, it's all different, you have to see second test, it's more experienced:
14. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

hehehe, right. So I'll do test with wide area of oxygen then.
15. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

Heckubis, mate, I thank you. Ok guys, it's looks like test between materials is over. But it was small test, think I should do more tests, something bigger, with wide area. And I was very surprised, so you really have to see it, look: Sorry for my accent, hehehe
16. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

I'm russian. It's for gas yes! 8 tiles for gas or 4, not sure about might be it's 4 tiles for gas, hmmm I've to to my tests, because I'm not sure about Diagonal cells, but for ICE, it's 1 tile above it if it's gas, and the same tile if there where your ICE is you have liquid, like water. But for GAS it will be 8 tiles I suppose yes, or 4 tiles, because gas fly, but again some times gas go down and can start conductivity with objects on surface, on flore, like ICE and 7 or 3 tiles of gases around that gas. I'll do tests and we will see it
17. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

Hehehe, it is, but flatland with 1 meter width)))
18. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

I forgot about Themperature! omg someone calculate it with themperature please, hehehe
19. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

I get it look here: It's 1000kg in one tile, 1m^3 of water = 1000 kg, so we have 1 meter in one tile, so yeah, it is what it is.
20. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

Decor radius 1.00 of what? Meter, or centimeter, or tile, or potato or tomato, how I can understand this Radius? I need to understant 1 tile = 1 what?
21. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

I found this! 1J=1W/s help! Some one! How to calculate it! Is this right calculation? Tell me! Thermal conductivity of ICE and water let's multiplie them 2.18*0,61=1,3298 W/meter 1000kg = 1000000g, so for water 1000000g*4,18J/g=4180000J and ICE 1000000g*2.05J/g=2050000J, Not sure about your english words, is it FOLD? 4180000+2050000=6230000J 63200000J= 63200000 W/s let's say tile = 1 meter ok? or not ok? hehehe, if it's not so IDK what to do we have to remuve meters some how. 63200000W/s / 1,3298W/m (If we think 1 tile is 1 meter so W/m=W/1=W, ok? or it's pointless, so ok? right?) = 4684915 seconds How many seconds in one cycle? 600? so it's like 7808 cycles and we will gain same themperature, CRAZY... tell me what you think
22. ## How does heat conducts in the game?

The problem is, your ice on the flore will start thermal conductivity with gases above it or with liquids in the same tile where ice is and gase or liquid will start thermal conductivity with neighboring tiles etc and every second tier themperature will be changed so to calculate even 9 tiles over time you'll need to use differential of a function with is take some time, probably alot of time. So, let's say we have 1000 kg of ICE -10,6C, and we will drop it into water 1000kg +21,2C, so ICE 1000 kg Specific heat capacity: 2.05, Thermal conductivity: 2.18, Themp -10,6C Water 1000kg Specific heat capacity: 4.18, Thermal conductivity 0.61, Themp +21,2 ICE heat capacity = 1000*2,05=2050 (got misstake here - made edit, now all fine) Water heat capacity = 1000*4,18=4180 Let's see in %: 4180+2005=6230(100%), so for ICE 2050/6185=0,3291(32,91%) for water 4180/6230=0.6709(67,09%) it's tier haet capacity in %. Now Themperature and heat capacity should be multiplied to understand what themperature will be when themperature Ice and water became same: ICE: -10,6*0,3291=-3,49 Water: 21,2*0,6709=14,22 Now not sure about this word, you say fold? -3,49+14,22= +10,73C will be when ICE and water got same themperature, after unlimited period of time. But how long it will take - I don't know, and this is a problem! I don't know how to calculate THIS!
23. ## Lamps test

Little test with lamps made from raw metals with can be found in the game without any melting or refining. Hope you understand that this test was made in close area, with is very important. And it's just test so it is what it is. Test started at 71,8 - 71,9C in nine oxygen tiles areas where we have 1 kg/tile pressure and lamps have 71,9C themperature too, let's see how fast they heat up oxygen around them and how fast they will burnout.